What time period did English become the language for people under the landsker..

[omega 1]

Hello Griffi

There is a book you could buy,The Landsker Boarderlands,Its History & Landscape,you may find interesting & helpful.

Kind regards
omega

[Pejic]

I don't know if it helps, but I have a Mary Griffiths born 1862 in Eglwyswrw, Pembs, and she and her 3 children were recorded as Welsh speaking (in Pontypridd) at the 1891 census

[mrs.family]

Vague thoughts -
 Southern Pembrokeshire was settled by English-speakers from the Middle Ages - so possibly your ancestors NEVER spoke Welsh - it would depend on where they originated. And of course Flemish weavers were brought into the area in the later Middle Ages, so they would be very unlikely to have any Welsh language, they would have learned English (unless their descendants later moved to the north of the county). But a family name like Griffiths sounds quite Welsh.....since Saundersfoot is quite near the Carms border, maybe they were even from Carmarthenshire originally?                         
Also just wanted to say that the Landsker isn't set in stone, it's more of a broad area than a line - and Welsh-speakers would be found on both sides of it.

[Drosybont]

A couple of observations.  In Pembrokeshire families I've looked at, it some men in families in the english speaking part marry women from families in the welsh speaking part. 

Drosybont

[Drosybont]

Also, in some famiies it looks as though speaking both welsh and english was useful because of their occupation eg grocers, drapers.

Drosybont

[hanes teulu]

Welsh Newspapers on line

There's an article in the Pembroke County Guardian, 30 Nov 1906, that draws on George Owen's original work.

[Griffl]

Vague thoughts -
 Southern Pembrokeshire was settled by English-speakers from the Middle Ages - so possibly your ancestors NEVER spoke Welsh - it would depend on where they originated. And of course Flemish weavers were brought into the area in the later Middle Ages, so they would be very unlikely to have any Welsh language, they would have learned English (unless their descendants later moved to the north of the county). But a family name like Griffiths sounds quite Welsh.....since Saundersfoot is quite near the Carms border, maybe they were even from Carmarthenshire originally?                         
Also just wanted to say that the Landsker isn't set in stone, it's more of a broad area than a line - and Welsh-speakers would be found on both sides of it.

Hi yes, thanks for your thoughts

just tracing one of the siblings that lived till the 1891 census it seems she spoke both so it's quite possible they did speak both then

Personally I would doubt that they were not a welsh speaking family originally but then again it is possible

it's also possible that they moved to the area from anywhere in west wales although the earliest birth in this line is John Griffiths in 1814..

A couple of observations.  In Pembrokeshire families I've looked at, it some men in families in the english speaking part marry women from families in the welsh speaking part. 

Drosybont

yes I am beginning to think perhaps thats what happened at one stage, although I have read quite the contradictory that-intermixing was frowned upon- but then again mine were commoners lol

Hello Griffi

There is a book you could buy,The Landsker Boarderlands,Its History & Landscape,you may find interesting & helpful.

Kind regards
omega

Ooh, great I will look into that one