Marriage of Thomas Hunter and Anne Irwine ?

[Rayjamgor]

hi again,  think ive got  few more links to Thomas Hunter . On His marriage cert in 1901 his father is stated as Andrew Hunter and on Ancestry it flags up a birth of Thomas Hunter to Andrew Hunter and Margaret  Smith in 1874 in Rashee, Antrim.  So i searched for marriage of Andrew and Margaret and found that in 1865 at Ballyeaston ,Ballycastor Newtonabby . It also states Andrews father as John Hunter and Maragret Smyth (not Smith) father as And Smyth . Theres a Margaret Hunter living in Doagh ,Ballyclare in 1901 census a widow with kids including Mary who flags up with same parents . Im getting confused , could i be on right track as used Groni?
 Thing is will be over at the weekend and Rashee cemetery and church is not far from where we are staying so would be a shame if we didnt visit if the connections all fitted . cheers Raymie
 

[aghadowey]

This looks like it could be the same Andrew & Margaret Hunter in 1901 (Presbyterian)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Rushee/Ballinashee/915999

Son Robert in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Rashee/Ballynashee/107528
"Hunter Robert of Ballynashee Ballyclare county Antrim farmer died 16 March 1943 Probate Belfast 4 May to John Gawn farmer and Hugh Hunter retired police sergeant. Effects £643 2s. 3d."

"Probate of the Will of Andrew Hunter late of Ballynashee County Antrim Farmer who died 22 July 1902 granted at Belfast to Robert Hunter and Thomas John Gawn Farmers." Will mentions son Robert, son Samuel, wife Margaret, daughter Mary, sons Thomas and Hugh, daughter Margret Ann, daughter Elizabeth, son David

Think this is the Margaret Hunter you found in 1911, Presbyterian but the family is Church of Ireland-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballyclare_Rural/Doagh/108938

However, the most interesting bit I found was this-
"Probate of the Will of Samuel Hunter late of Ballynashee County Antrim Farm Labourer who died 4 March 1905 granted at Belfast to Robert Hunter Farmer." Will mentions brother John (Ballyboley, half brother Robert (Ballynashee), sister Mrs Margaret Anne Gawn (Ballyboley), step-mother Margaret, half brother David (Belfast), half brother Thomas (Belfast), half brother Hugh, half sister Lizzie, Andrew Hunter son of half brother Thomas of Belfast, half sister Mary and 'to John, Jennie, Andrew & James children of brother John' (Ballyboley).

[Rayjamgor]

Talk about being confused  So let me try decipher this , is the wee boy Andrew the son of my Thomas Hunter in Belfast living in Northbrook street in the cencus for 1911 . It states on his Wedding Cert to Annie Irwine/Cathcart in 1901 he was a widow , as was she . Seems strange him taking on her kid but leaving his son at the farm .Saying that makes sense as he knew he would be cared for . Interesting that the will shows money as Samuel Hunter 1911 son of Thomas ( Caretaker in cencus)ran a shop in Ruth Street just off Duncairn Road and my wifes dad Samuel grew up there from 1933 , hes still alive and the family moved in the 70,s for work in car factory in Linwood , Paisley. Sammy had loads cousins and will see him today but his minds a little fuzzy nowadays . Again thanks for your help , everydays a school day on here 

[aghadowey]

Think you have seen records for X Hunter and tried to fit them into the family you are researching.

For example, Margaret (Smith) Hunter you though was in 1911 census living in Doagh with children is not the correct Margaret.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballyclare_Rural/Doagh/108938
That Margaret does have children called Mary, David & Robert but the boys ages are completely off. The correct Margaret Hunter is living with her son Robert. See next post.

"is the wee boy Andrew the son of my Thomas Hunter in Belfast living in Northbrook street in the cencus for 1911 . It states on his Wedding Cert to Annie Irwine/Cathcart in 1901 he was a widow , as was she . Seems strange him taking on her kid but leaving his son at the farm .Saying that makes sense as he knew he would be cared for ."
This is not at all unusually and may not have had anything to do with Thomas' new wife wanting to look after her stepson. It was very common for widowed men to send their very young children to live with relatives as they would have been away all day at work. Perhaps Andrew was happily settled or it was felt the fresh country air was better for his health, etc. In fact, in the next post there is very interesting information about Thomas' 1st wife.

Will post a family tree I've compiled this morning shortly but please remember not to post details of living people.

[Rayjamgor]

Spoke to Sammy and he confirmed  (William) Bill Cathcart was his dads brother . Yeah sure no probkem in that regards regarding tree .thanks again ,Raymie

[aghadowey]

Family tree compiled from details in the Wills, census records, vital records-

Andrew Hunter (c1823-22 July 1902) m.2 (12 Apr.1865) Margaret Smith (c1839-aft.1911)
Marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGHB-7C6
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Rushee/Ballinashee/915999
"Probate of the Will of Andrew Hunter late of Ballynashee County Antrim Farmer who died 22 July 1902 granted at Belfast to Robert Hunter and Thomas John Gawn Farmers." Will mentions son Robert, son Samuel, wife Margaret, daughter Mary, sons Thomas and Hugh, daughter Margret Ann, daughter Elizabeth, son David
1911- Margaret with son Robert.
1.   John Hunter (c1850-aft.1911), Ballyboley, m.(c1873) Mary (c1853-aft.1911).
        www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballycor/Ballyboley/990815
        www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycor/Ballyboley/189245 (5 ch/3 liv)
        ? Hunter John of Ballyboley county Antrim farmer died 26 October 1930 Probate Belfast 17 December to John Hunter and Andrew Hunter farmers. Effects £333 12s.
        1.   John Hunter (c1873-aft.1911)
        ? Hunter John of Ballyboley county Antrim farmer died 10 January 1940 at Ballalbanagh Ballyeaston county Antrim Administration Belfast 20 March to Samuel Wilson retired farmer. Effects £995 12s.
        2.   Jennie Hunter (c1876-aft.1911)
        3.   Andrew Hunter (c1879-aft.1911)
        ? Hunter Andrew of Ballyboley county Antrim farmer died 17 January 1937 Administration Belfast 26 February to John Hunter farmer. Effects £274 9s. 9d.
        4.   James Hunter (c1883-aft.1905), saddler
        5.   child (probably died before 1901)
2.   Margaret Anne “Maggie Ann” Hunter (c1858-aft.1911) m.(c1900) Thomas John Gawn (d.4 May 1933), Ballyboley
        www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballycor/Ballyboley/990775
        www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycor/Ballyboley/189311
        Gawn Thomas John of Ballyboley Ballynure county Antrim farmer died 4 May 1933 at Larne District Hospital Probate Belfast 12 June to Robert Hunter and John Wilson farmers. Effects £171 17s.
3.   Samuel Hunter (c1861-4 Mar.1905)
        Probate of the Will of Samuel Hunter late of Ballynashee County Antrim Farm Labourer who died 4 March 1905 granted at Belfast to Robert Hunter Farmer." Will mentions brother John (Ballyboley, half brother Robert (Ballynashee), sister Mrs Margaret Anne Gawn (Ballyboley), step-mother Margaret, half brother David (Belfast), half brother Thomas (Belfast), half brother Hugh, half sister Lizzie, Andrew Hunter son of half brother Thomas of Belfast, half sister Mary and 'to John, Jennie, Andrew & James children of brother John' (Ballyboley).
4.   Son (13 Feb.1868) Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5HH-X5J
5.   Robert Hunter (1 June 1870-16 Mar.1943), Ballynashee, m.(11 Nov.1903 Newtownabbey dist.) Martha Beggs (c1878 Co.Derry)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FR44-4H9
        www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Rashee/Ballynashee/107528
        Hunter Robert of Ballynashee Ballyclare county Antrim farmer died 16 March 1943 Probate Belfast 4 May to John Gawn farmer and Hugh Hunter retired police sergeant. Effects £643 2s. 3d.
        1.   Maggie Jane Hunter (c1906-aft.1911)
6.   David Hunter (25 Oct.1872), Belfast
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGHQ-B5Y
7.   Thomas Hunter (20 Nov.1874 Rashee dist.), Belfast, m.(31 Oct.1895 Newtownabbey dist) Sarah Irvine (?c1871-?29 May 1900 Belfast dist.). father- John; m.(1901) Annie (Irvine) Cathcart (c1879-1956)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPS5-NFJ
        www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor/Northbrook_Street/154229
        1.   Andrew Hunter (20 Dec.1896 Belfast dist.)
        1901- with grandparents at Ballynashee. 1911- with uncle Robert Hunter.
        2.   Thomas Hunter (21 Sept.1903 Belfast dist.-1903)
        3.   Robert Hunter (c1906)
        4.   Maggie Hunter (c1910)
        5.   Samuel Hunter (1911)
8.   Hugh Hunter (25 May 1877-4 May 1961) m.(25 Oct.1905 Newtownabbey dist.) Jane Allen (c1882)
        www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Clifton/Rosevale_Street/146894
        1943 retired police sergeant
        Hunter, Hugh of Carnlea Ballyclare county Antrim retired harbour sergeant died 4 May 1961 at Moyle Hospital Larne county Antrim Probate Belfast 22 June to John Gawn textile worker. Effects £190
        1.   John Herbert Hunter (22 Aug.1906 Antrim dist.-aft.1911)
        2.   Dorothy Jane Hunter (16 Apr.1908 Belfast dist.-aft.1911)
        3.   Violet Hunter (11 June 1910 Belfast dist.-aft.1911)
        4.   Victor Hunter (11 June 1910 Belfast dist.-aft.1911)
9.   Mary Hunter (15 Oct.1879 Rashee dist.-aft.1901)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGNT-4B9
10.   Elizabeth/Lizzie Hunter (alive 1905)

[aghadowey]

Have used too many characters in last post so have to add an additional bit here-

6.   David Hunter (25 Oct.1872), Belfast, m.(28 Aug.1903 Newtownabbey dist.) Agnes Irvine, father John
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGHQ-B5Y
        www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballyclare_Urban/Main_Street/109834
        ? Hunter David of Burnside Doagh county Antrim farmer died 19 May 1924 Probate Belfast 18 July to Lizzie Hunter spinster and Martha Campbell married woman. Effects £224 15s.
        1.   Samuel Hunter (25 Feb.1905 Antrim dist.-aft.1911)
        2.   Eleanor Hunter (8 May 1908 Antrim dist.-aft.1911)

[lmgnz]

Just to add a little info. Thomas John Gawn of Ballyboley who died 1933 was the husband of Margaret Ann Hunter born 1858.

Thomas John Gawn was in turn the son of John Gawn and Jane Hunter of Ballyboley who married in 1856 at Ballyeaston. Jane was the daughter of a John Hunter. John Gawn was still alive in 1901 aged 74. I read his will just the other day but haven't noted his date of death in my tree.

John Gawn's brother Robert Gawn of Ballyboley  married Agnes Hunter. Robert was also alive in 1901 and living in Ballyboley.

[Rayjamgor]

Thanks everyone for the replies and the massive amount of info , been busy at work recently and catching up with the info . Family gathering next month in Aberdeen , lots to divulge ,thanks again