Author Topic: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW  (Read 16055 times)

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Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 09 October 14 22:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks Judith.  I have been in contact with Ian from the Monaro Pioneers website and he has taken that information from ancestry.com.au

Unfortunately I can't verify that information on William's supposed Aboriginality and Ian can't remember where he got the information from.

I have an Electoral Roll for 1930 which shows William John Henry as living in Pritchard St, Yass at that time so the burial at Bredbo isn't him either.  I will see if I can find a burial for him in a Yass cemetery.

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Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« Reply #19 on: Friday 10 October 14 00:52 BST (UK) »
Yes, looks as though the Bredbo death is not correct.

I see William John Henry DAVIS, blacksmith, at 1 Plunkett St, Yass in 1943.  Laura DAVIS, hd, at same address.

Possible marriage
NSW 1902 #2603, registered at Yass
William J H DAVIS, Laura C WEBBER

Laura Constance WEBBER birth registration in Queanbeyan, 1881. 
Parents: James Richard WEBBER, Clara

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Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« Reply #20 on: Friday 10 October 14 01:24 BST (UK) »
William J H married Catherine Hayes at Captains Flat in 1889 so I don't think the Yass fellow is a relative!  I've confirmed that through BDM.

If that's the case, the Monaro Pioneer database could have the wrong fellow.

I have to admit that because there are so many children I haven't researched each carefully yet.

Why do my ancestors have to have such common names.   LOL

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Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« Reply #21 on: Friday 10 October 14 07:14 BST (UK) »
Well, the Yass man is eliminated anyway.

However, I think the chap buried at Bredbo is almost certainly William, the son. There is an inquest shown for him

DAVIS, William John, aged 57
Inquest held 14 July, 1927 at the Bredbo Hotel by J Gale
Received 16 July, 1927
Place of birth: Wolloroo, NSW (sic)
Place and cause of death: Bredbo.  Suffocation xxxfully? caused by hanging himself while in an unsound state of mind.   No post-mortem was held, no property or money found on him.

TROVE has this account
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/99313725

This account says that he was a miner of Wollongong, had already suffered a 'nervous breakdown' and had gone to Bredbo for a break to stay with some friends.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/118989283

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Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« Reply #22 on: Friday 10 October 14 11:04 BST (UK) »
Thank you Judith, that is very interesting!  I search on Trove most days and never find anything!

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Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« Reply #23 on: Friday 10 October 14 12:48 BST (UK) »
Possible extension of this family? -  death certificate for Martha would be useful to you.

William J H b. 1868
      6876 / 1889 William J DAVIS m. Catherine HAYES         Bungendore


Ada A b. 1869
     7015 / 1885 Ada A DAVIS m. (1) Martin RODGERS   Queanbeyan
     1122 / 1894 death Martin ROGERS  ps. Michael        Sydney
     5380 / 1895 Ada M ROGERS m. (2) James GOODWIN   Nowra
     22111 / 1936 death   Ada M GOODWIN    ps  William / Martha     Macksville
    (see WW1  Arthur Albert ROGERS #2410 , mother Ada GOODWIN)

Frances E b. 1871
     5798 / 1887  m. William H SMITH       Cooma

Emily Esther b. 1873
     4315 / 1890  Emily DAVIS m. Frederick WAGSTAFF           Kiama
     33836 / 1963 death Emily Esther WAGSTAFF   ps. William George / Martha    Nth Sydney

Arthur Albert b. 1875
            24990 / 2951 death Arthur Albert DAVIS ps. William Martha  (30 August 1951)
             children b. to Arthur Albert and Theresa J   south coast, but I cannot see a marriage.

Martha b. 1878
           3629 / 1896 Martha E DAVIS m. Joseph E MORGAN        Nowra

Amy Elizabeth b. 1879
            5739 / 1896  Amy E DAVIS m. Edward FLETCHER                     Nowra
            18031 / 1933 death Amy E FLETCHER  ps. William / Martha       Ashfield

Richard Henry b. 1881 d. 1883

Victoria b. 1883
            4430 / 1900 Victoria DAVIS m. Charles MAHER   Nowra
            23354 / 1957 death Victoria MAHER  ps. William / Martha        Bulli

Edward G b. 1887

Annie M b. 1890
             2307 / 1910  May A DAVIS m. Walter A MAHER    Nowra
             35158 / 1964 death  Annie May MAHER    ps. William / Martha     Bulli   

South Coast Times and Wollongong Argus 27 Nov 1925   In Mem.   

Martha HOWARD d.  27 Nov 1924 Bellambi     73 years
  husband Alfred
  son and D-I-L...... William and Catherine, grand daughter Gladys
  daughter and S-I-L......Victoria and Charles MAHER
  daughter and son.......Elena and Joseph MORGAN
  grand daughter and grand son L and A CASTLE and family
  grand daughter and grand son Nellie and Alfred HOUSE

I am not easily seeing the HOUSE and CASTLE marriages.

Martha d, 1924, aged 73, so b. ~ 1851, There could be births to her after 1890.

Her death certificate would name her children.

BDM NSW
2174 1917 Ellen M DAVIS m. Alfred HOUSE    Wollongong

Illawarra Mercury  24 Oct 1983   
Ellen Mary HOUSE d. 20 Oct 90 years formerly West Wollongong.
       

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Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« Reply #24 on: Friday 10 October 14 21:15 BST (UK) »
Possible extension of this family? -  death certificate for Martha would be useful to you.

Yes these are all the children registered to Martha and William that I can find.

William J H b. 1868
      6876 / 1889 William J DAVIS m. Catherine HAYES         Bungendore


Ada A b. 1869
     7015 / 1885 Ada A DAVIS m. (1) Martin RODGERS   Queanbeyan
     1122 / 1894 death Martin ROGERS  ps. Michael        Sydney
     5380 / 1895 Ada M ROGERS m. (2) James GOODWIN   Nowra
     22111 / 1936 death   Ada M GOODWIN    ps  William / Martha     Macksville
    (see WW1  Arthur Albert ROGERS #2410 , mother Ada GOODWIN)

Frances E b. 1871
     5798 / 1887  m. William H SMITH       Cooma

Emily Esther b. 1873
     4315 / 1890  Emily DAVIS m. Frederick WAGSTAFF           Kiama
     33836 / 1963 death Emily Esther WAGSTAFF   ps. William George / Martha    Nth Sydney

Arthur Albert b. 1875
            24990 / 2951 death Arthur Albert DAVIS ps. William Martha  (30 August 1951)
             children b. to Arthur Albert and Theresa J   south coast, but I cannot see a marriage.

Martha b. 1878
           3629 / 1896 Martha E DAVIS m. Joseph E MORGAN        Nowra

Amy Elizabeth b. 1879
            5739 / 1896  Amy E DAVIS m. Edward FLETCHER                     Nowra
            18031 / 1933 death Amy E FLETCHER  ps. William / Martha       Ashfield

Richard Henry b. 1881 d. 1883

Victoria b. 1883
            4430 / 1900 Victoria DAVIS m. Charles MAHER   Nowra
            23354 / 1957 death Victoria MAHER  ps. William / Martha        Bulli

Edward G b. 1887

Annie M b. 1890
             2307 / 1910  May A DAVIS m. Walter A MAHER    Nowra
             35158 / 1964 death  Annie May MAHER    ps. William / Martha     Bulli   

South Coast Times and Wollongong Argus 27 Nov 1925   In Mem.   

Martha HOWARD d.  27 Nov 1924 Bellambi     73 years
  husband Alfred
  son and D-I-L...... William and Catherine, grand daughter Gladys
  daughter and S-I-L......Victoria and Charles MAHER
  daughter and son.......Elena and Joseph MORGAN
  grand daughter and grand son L and A CASTLE and family
  grand daughter and grand son Nellie and Alfred HOUSE

Interesting that only some of the children are mentioned.  Mind you it would have cost a fortune in those days to include them all!

I am not easily seeing the HOUSE and CASTLE marriages.

I haven't looked for grandchildren of William and Martha as it is hard enough getting my head around the 12 children and their spouses and in some cases subsequent spouses.

Martha d, 1924, aged 73, so b. ~ 1851, There could be births to her after 1890.

Possible, but I haven't found anything.  She was living at Yalwal after 1890 and had grandchildren being born.

Her death certificate would name her children.

I will order a transcript over the weekend.  I'm just looking to see who has the quickest turn around.

BDM NSW
2174 1917 Ellen M DAVIS m. Alfred HOUSE    Wollongong

Illawarra Mercury  24 Oct 1983   
Ellen Mary HOUSE d. 20 Oct 90 years formerly West Wollongong.

     

Once again, thank you for your help! 

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Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 11 October 14 09:37 BST (UK) »


The names mentioned in the 1925 notice for death of Martha HOWARD formerly DAVIS are several separate notices put in by several individuals and families so does not function to name all the children of Martha.

You  need to identify all the children of this family, with possible births 1890+,  the better to narrow down the likely time span for death of William DAVIS.....also the purpose of the death certificate for Martha, with children listed.

The HOUSE and CASTLE families, grand children of Martha, would seem to be additional to the 12 children you have located, so would be useful to link to the DAVIS family. I have not been able to find this connection.



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Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 16 October 14 08:19 BST (UK) »
Just thought I would update for anyone interested.  :)

I've received the death certificate for Martha Davis/Howard and there are no "surprise" children listed.  Unfortunately all that is listed for her first husband is his name, William Davis.

However I have received a copy of a birth certificate for one of the infant sons who died.  The surpising thing with this is that it lists William Davis's birth as in Mittagong (NSW) and his age as 57 in 1885!  So this puts his birth as approximately 1828.

And the place of birth was "Railway Line near Queanbeyan, NSW".  So I'm trying to find out more on that as well.

I've been doing a bit of searching and have found a census for a 2 year old William Davis living at Goulburn Plains in 1828.  His parents are listed as George and Mary Davis.  George came out as a convict on the Earl Spencer in 1813 and Mary came out on the Broxbornebury in 1814.  I have no maiden name for her so am a bit stuck!

Still looking for some wedding details but am excited to have gotten this far!