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Offline Paul Peter

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Marriage Certificate with Father's name missing
« on: Saturday 04 October 14 20:35 BST (UK) »
Hi I have a marriage certificate from Irish Roots website but the name of the father of the groom's is missing. Would the marriage certificate from the GRO be any different ?

Paul
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Hufsham, Hursum or Horsom of Dungarvan
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Drohan of Carrick on Suir or Clonmel
Daniel of Carrick on Suir
Kirwin of Kilrossanty Waterford
Hogan of Kilmacthomas Waterford

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Re: Marriage Certificate with Father's name missing
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 05 October 14 07:38 BST (UK) »
I suspect that the GRO certificate will be exactly the same.  I only know England and Wales certificates - where the father's name is omitted it invariably means that the "child" is illegitimate.
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Re: Marriage Certificate with Father's name missing
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 05 October 14 09:35 BST (UK) »
In Ireland it can also mean that the father is deceased- if "deceased" is written in that box instread of the father's name and occupation then databases often leave that blank. The only way you will know is to get the certificate.
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Re: Marriage Certificate with Father's name missing
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 05 October 14 12:52 BST (UK) »
What do you mean by "I have a marriage certificate from Irish Roots website"?  Do you mean that someone on the website has posted a copy of the marriage certificate which you've seen/copied?  Wouldn't that mean that the person who has posted the copy has already bought the marriage cert from GRO or somewhere else?


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Re: Marriage Certificate with Father's name missing
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 05 October 14 14:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Lizzie
I have paid for access to the Irish Roots site for one month and found the certificate on there, they have their records from the local parish but I wasn't sure if the GRO would be the same and didn't want to waste my money paying for cert from there if it would say the exact same thing. looks like I might have to pay up and see what I get !
Paul
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Butler of  Dungarvan
Donoghue or O'Donoghue or Donohoe of Abbeyside
Hufsham, Hursum or Horsom of Dungarvan
Whelan of Abbeyside Dungarvan
Flynn of Dungarvan
Drohan of Carrick on Suir or Clonmel
Daniel of Carrick on Suir
Kirwin of Kilrossanty Waterford
Hogan of Kilmacthomas Waterford

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Re: Marriage Certificate with Father's name missing
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 05 October 14 15:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Paul

I thought the GRO records were only copies of the parish records so, in theory, the information shouldn't be any different.

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Re: Marriage Certificate with Father's name missing
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 05 October 14 15:02 BST (UK) »
If Irish records work in the same way as English ones, then the GRO entry will be a copy of the parish entry.  Here in England, a copy of the church entry is submitted to the local Registration District, who in turn submit to the GRO.  If you can determine from your copy of the marriage certificate that the bride, groom, witnesses etc. have individually signed the certificate, by which I mean there are differences in the handwriting, then I would not bother obtaining the GRO certificate.   ;)
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
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Re: Marriage Certificate with Father's name missing
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 05 October 14 15:12 BST (UK) »
Hi I have a marriage certificate from Irish Roots website but the name of the father of the groom's is missing. Would the marriage certificate from the GRO be any different ?

Paul
On the record from roots ireland does it say church marriage or civil marriage? If civil marriage there is no point in ordering the cert as I would think the transcription should have all the information that would be on the original record.  However if a church marriage it is possibly worthwhile ordering to see if some details were not entered on the parish register.
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Re: Marriage Certificate with Father's name missing
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 05 October 14 15:29 BST (UK) »
Hi
Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. It is a copy of the church record that I have.
I might get the civil one and see and will let you know if does say anything different.
Paul
Family Names
Butler of  Dungarvan
Donoghue or O'Donoghue or Donohoe of Abbeyside
Hufsham, Hursum or Horsom of Dungarvan
Whelan of Abbeyside Dungarvan
Flynn of Dungarvan
Drohan of Carrick on Suir or Clonmel
Daniel of Carrick on Suir
Kirwin of Kilrossanty Waterford
Hogan of Kilmacthomas Waterford