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nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« on: Tuesday 14 October 14 12:32 BST (UK) »
My grandmother's birth mother was Charlotte (Lottie) Roberts born april 1881 Greenfield st Birkenhead
She wrote my grandmother a letter asking not to be contacted again because she was respectably married and had a son but we no longer have this letter and don't know her married name.

My mother spent years researching the wrong Charlotte Roberts ours is daughter of John Roberts 1852-1908+ Caroline nee Gardner 1859-1893
 she had 1 sister Mary b1879 who married isaac irvine in 1908 .

Lottie had her baby at 1 menai st on 12th dec 1899 giving her father's address 29 Edgar st Birkenhead .
On birth certificate nana is Maisie, Fellman (middle name),  Roberts  and Charlotte is recorded as draper's assistance
she obtained an affiliation order against George Jacob Fellman in jan 1900
   The baptism later in march has Lottie  Roberts as mother to Massie Miriam Roberts
We can't find the mysterious Charlotte Roberts on 1901 or 1911 census .  marriage /death records all seem to be different Charlottes
Roberts,Fellman.Macdermid MCDERMID McDiarmid Gardner Jones ,Bloch,Irvine,Hallis Stevenson ,McKay

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 14 October 14 12:57 BST (UK) »
Good Afternoon
Could this be her marriage?
Married 12.5.1902 Llandinio Montgomery James Richard Hughes 26 lab Llandinio s of William lab and Charlotte Roberts 20 Hainwood d of John lab.Witnesses John Roberts and Ellen Hughes
In 1901 James Hughes age 24 from Dudley,Staffordshire is a farm labourer at New Hall Llandinio.
By 1911 James  at Uppington Shropshire with the children Rose 8,Gladys 6 ,Harold 4 and Walter 3 supposedly still married but no sign of Charlotte.
There is a tree on Ancestry but nothing extra on Charlotte.
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 14 October 14 13:09 BST (UK) »
Mary was 3 in 1881 census - so presume born 1878
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X31H-9FG
Caroline Gardner was actually born 1859 in Helsby
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VBNC-KFM
Nimrod Gardner from Bugbrooke ,Northamptonshire and Mary from Scotland
I will have to find out where they married ??
www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
1859
ADDED...can`t find a marriage to Mary in England or Wales on freebmd - so I presume they married in Marys homeland of Scotland ?
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 14 October 14 13:20 BST (UK) »
I don't think that's the one ciderdrinker
My charlottes father was an iron machinist not a labourer and he died in 1908  still in Birkrnhead .
It would be nice to think he accepted his daughter back into family to be a witness at her wedding .but Roberts is a very common name so I would need more links before I can  start paying for documents.

the research my family did including the wrong Charlottes is on
http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1300276?page=6
Roberts,Fellman.Macdermid MCDERMID McDiarmid Gardner Jones ,Bloch,Irvine,Hallis Stevenson ,McKay

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 14 October 14 13:45 BST (UK) »
I have Mary Roberts  born in 1879 if she was born before march she could have been 3
Charlotte is not on 1881 census as born in April
Their Grandparents Nimrod+ Mary Gardner lived nearby til ripe old ages but I don't know if they'd have known about Charlotte's baby
Roberts,Fellman.Macdermid MCDERMID McDiarmid Gardner Jones ,Bloch,Irvine,Hallis Stevenson ,McKay

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 December 14 18:56 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if marriages  (1900-1913 ) are not showing up because Charlotte Roberts  lied about her age ,or if it would be worth looking under first name Lottie  as that's the name is  she used on her daughter Maisie Roberts' baptism in March 1900 . 

Roberts,Fellman.Macdermid MCDERMID McDiarmid Gardner Jones ,Bloch,Irvine,Hallis Stevenson ,McKay

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 December 14 19:42 GMT (UK) »
Would it be worth tracing descendants of the sister, if you haven't already tried? They may know about their family history and know her married name and fate.

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 December 14 21:52 GMT (UK) »
Do you know when the letter was written, and how their addresses were known to each other?

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 December 14 22:16 GMT (UK) »
Did she meet Mr Fellman through work, as he appears to be a draper in 1901 census, in Birkenhead, age 30 and single (from Russia)?