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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #126 on: Saturday 22 April 17 18:48 BST (UK) »
Just to put  context on the baby trafficking scandal

Baby farming had been a big problem in Victorian times and public was scandalised by some notorious cases in from 1870's

1877 Sophia Todd  known as 'the Lancashire governess.' was suspected of baby farming
sentenced to execution because she'd killed babies in her care

Baby traffickers received lesser punishments
Charlotte  Roberts and Herbert Smith were originally accused of killing one of the missing babies so would have feared the death sentence too .

Last person hanged for this crime was in 1907
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What happened to the actors after 1901 ?
« Reply #127 on: Wednesday 26 April 17 23:54 BST (UK) »
I wonder if this has ever been investigated: 1901 census at Castleford, Yorkshire shows an A C Percy 38 married born Lincolnshire and a comedian.   With him are a Myles aged 6 born Grimsby, Lincs. and a Lottie Percy 19 - married - born Birkenhead, Cheshire - a Comedienne!!  All shown as visitors.

Myles William C. Percy birth registered Dec.1894 Caistor.

Cannot see any obvious marriage between a Percy and a Charlotte/Lottie


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# HE married simie Harriet Ben -oliel in 1901 diedv16th Feb 1906 aged 53 native of Glasgow


I have managed to ascertain that A C Percy was Arthur C Percy ( there are lots of reports in newspapers describing his acting career. In the week of the 1901 census he is in a play which also includes Herbert Woodin,who was lodging in the same household as him on census night, and Madge Palmer who I suspect is the person described as Madge Woodin). I have also found a marriage notice for him in 1892. He married Mabel Warhurst in Derby and is described as Thomas Percy Carmichael of Glasgow also known as Arthur C Percy.
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I re posted this as a summary of the actors..Have started a separate topic about them as this thread is now very long and lots of tangents
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770368.msg6230208
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #128 on: Thursday 01 June 17 10:39 BST (UK) »
new people turn up new ideas .

I dismissed this because Samuel + Jane  were too young to have a 30 yr old son and their other children ranged from 20 -4

georgejacob's father's name has come up as mendel. leizer .lazurus  before
his  fathers 2nd wife was Sheina ..as dressmaker mrs Jane fellman also turns up as   mrs Senie Fellman in trade directories of 1902

I must have missed this bit but it has caught my eye now.....

It may not be relevant or the case & to be honest I'm slightly thrown by the Sheina/Senie/Jane references to Mrs Fellman.

In Scotland & (possibly Ireland)? SINE (pronounced Sheena) is gaelic for Jean/Jane as this was the name my g/mother was known as.

Maybe a Scottish or Irish connection there?

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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #129 on: Thursday 01 June 17 18:08 BST (UK) »
you have to read whle post annnie ..latvian jew ..various spelling depending on where they lived
have latvian marriage for Samuel Felllman + both his wives who may have been sisters just put Fellman in search and all topics relating to them will come up .
Must concentrate on Charlotte on this one
Such a long thread thanks everone for your interest + support .

mum + i hope to do soem history trips but i want to go to Birkenhead + manchester + merthyr tidvil
she wants to go to Bugbrook ( the maternal side Nimrod gardner father of Caroline gradner mother of Charlotte )
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #130 on: Monday 31 July 17 23:02 BST (UK) »
News
DNA turned up a 2 nd cousin high probability for my mum

He's contacted me and doesn't know much about his grandmother but according to his father's birth cert  Nov 1905
She was Charlotte Benjamin formerly Robarts

His father was Eric Michael  Benjamin

So now I can look for them in 1911 an 1939

This would mean it wasn't the baby trafficking actress
DNA match does not connect with Jones or Fellman  so it  looks highly probable
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #131 on: Tuesday 01 August 17 09:25 BST (UK) »
What an mazing result!
From the info Charlotte Benjamin gives in 1911 and on the 1939 register it seems to check out as well. No sign of the husband in either though, she says she is married and can't find a Roberts/Benjamin marriage around 1903 anywhere.

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #132 on: Tuesday 01 August 17 09:46 BST (UK) »
That is really good news  :)

I think I recall you said that she wrote to her family and had a son and was doing well so that fits.

I too cannot spot a marriage but there is a record of her coming back from US where she is described as a milliner.
There is also a probate record for her but I am not sure how appropriate it is to post information when you now have contact with her grandson.

What do you think?

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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #133 on: Tuesday 01 August 17 10:27 BST (UK) »
There are a couple of electoral roll entries in the early 1920's for a Charlotte Benjamin living in Hampstead along with a Joseph Benjamin and also a probate record for a Joseph Benjamin died 1928 in Hampstead which names widow Charlotte ( all on Ancestry).
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Re: nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901
« Reply #134 on: Tuesday 01 August 17 11:04 BST (UK) »
 ::) I had looked at later electoral rolls where she is on her own but missed that one.

I also had a couple of Mr Benjamins in mind for her husband but none are Joseph. He was much older than her if that is the case- which it seems to be.
Do you think it is the same Charlotte .. Or Joseph. I can see the address for the probate and a Charlotte Benjamin are the same in 1928.

I wonder if they married abroad.

Good finds, Isobel  :)
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