Holland Family Tree.

[PaulH_86]

Hi,

Im looking into the Holland side of My Family Tree, I thought i was getting somewhere but now I'm not 100% sure.

Maud Holland (Married, Sidney Stringer in 1914)
b1893 Nuneaton, Warwickshire
d1964 Nuneaton, Warwickshire

Census Records and Marriage Cert shows her Father was

Albert Edward Holland (Married, Sarah Ann Jane Fowler)
b abt1855

Marriage Banns show his father was, Moses Holland.

for a time I believed it to be the following Moses Holland - but I'm not so sure anymore, id love a second opinion, would somebody mind looking?

Moses Holland (Married Ambretta/Henrietta)
b abt 1821 (Barwell or Ratclife Culey)
d 1909 (Orton on the Hill)

[Milliepede]

Do you know where your Albert is in 1871 because he isn't with that family - out on his own?

[diddymiller]

Hi, I think this is the family on the 1861:

1861 Orton on the hill
M Holland  40   b. barwell
E Holland  35   b. Orton - but I think says Foston

Eliza Holland  19
Jones Holland  15
Cornelius Holland  8
Albert Holland  6 b. orton
Aron Holland  4
Jno Holland  1

pity only used initials for parents!!
Diddy

[lizdb]

Going one step at a time (so we can findthe right Albert, and hopefully then findhim as a child with dad).

Here is the family in 1901
42 Aston Rd, Nuneaton
Albert E  50 coal miner bn Orton on the Hill Leicestershire
Sarah J 49 bn Warwickshire
Lucy 18
George 11
Nelly 14
Sarah J 12
Maud 7
Frederick 6
Albert E 15.   All children bn Nuneaton


And back to 1891

Arbury Rd Nuneaton
Albert E  40 coal miner bn Orton on the hill Leics
Sarah J 38 bn Stockingford Warwickshire
Moses 14 bn Stockingford
William S 13 bn Leicestershire
Eliza 9
John 11
Lucy 7
Albert E 5
Ellen 3
Savali? 2
George 3 mths.   Younger children all bn Nuneaton

So it is looking as if Albert was bn about 1851 not 1855

[Milliepede]

I can't see a birth for Albert Holland.

[lizdb]

1881
Gas St Nuneaton
Albert E 27 coal miner bn Orton on the hill Leics
Sarah J27 bn Stockingford Warwickshire
William S 3 bn "
John 1.           Bn "

[Milliepede]

There's an Albert Moses Holland out on his own in 1871 age 17 servant.  Born Orton.  Birth reg under Moses but no Edward name so maybe a different one.

Maybe this is the 6 year old from 1861.

[PaulH_86]

Thanks for looking, I think it might prove to be a difficult task, it's rumoured to be that somewhere along the line the Hollands may have been involved in some form of gypsy traveller showman fairground.

so this would explain why Albert Edward Holland suddenly appears with no prior information apart from his fathers name on his marriage banns to Sarah Fowler. 

as I'm pretty sure that otherwise he would be documented in one way shape or form,

but saying that the moses from

Moses Holland (Married Ambretta/Henrietta)
b abt 1821 (Barwell or Ratclife Culey)
d 1909 (Orton on the Hill)

appears on a gypsy travellers family tree from the liverpool archives.

that tree only goes back one more generation

but lists Moses's wife and children as

Henrietta (Wife) (ambretta might be short for or a nickname of henrietta)

Children are as follows.
Eliza Holland
George Holland
Ben Holland
Jack Holland
Jonah Holland (i think the writings really bad)
etc
 im guessing/hoping the etc includes Albert Edward Holland but i have no idea 

Thanks

[lizdb]

Or (more likely?) he started life as Moses (birth reg found), grew up being called Albert (isthe 6 yr old found in 1861) but when adult uses the name Albert Edward . Would need some certs to see.