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Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« on: Thursday 06 November 14 23:36 GMT (UK) »
Numerous newspapers across UK refer to a report in the East of Fife Record about the loss of vessels and life on 9.9.1859 following a "Violent storm on east coast of Scotland".

Specifically part of the herring fleet - a Pittenweem boat, skipper James Young which capsized off Caiplie Farm with the loss of all seven crew members.

The name of the boat is not mentioned. Can anyone provide its name please ?
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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 November 14 05:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi jcmac,

I have checked the Scotsman and Glasgow Herald of 12th Sep 1859, they have reprinted the "East of Fife" record in entirety, so the boat name is not mentioned. I had family lost on the "Queensland" from Cockenzie which was  lost near Isle of May, and all their death certificates included the name of the boat. Why not try the DC of the skipper, James Young or the other crown.

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Scotland - Buchanan, Thomson, Pat(t)erson, Stewart, Ritchie, Tracey
Ireland - Tracey, Conroy, Pat(t)erson.

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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 November 14 10:59 GMT (UK) »
Tom,
I have that in mind if all else fails - just hoping that some local knowledge might have another source with more detail.
I don't know if any other local Fife newspapers carried more details?
Many thanks,
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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 November 14 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi jcmac,

I think it is the same report that has went around all newspapers, good report but never mentioned name of boat, which is quite important.

Maybe check local newspapers for details of a fund for the widows and orphans etc, this was carried out a lot in fishing communities, usually run by local minister, etc.

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Ireland - Tracey, Conroy, Pat(t)erson.


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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 November 14 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Hello jcmac,
     Two addresses which might be able to help with your query.

     The Scottish Fisheries Museum, Harbour Head, Anstruther, Fife, KY10 3AB.
       
            www.scotfishmuseum.org/contact-us

     Crail Museum & Heritage Centre, 62-64 Marketgate South, Crail, Fife, KY10 3TL.

          http://www.crailmuseum.org.uk/

               Regards,     Dod.

Added:  This Scottish Fisheries Museum site might also interest you.
         
          http://www.scotfishmuseum.org/events/view/33/

     Pittenweem, Anstruther & Crail are all fishing ports in the East Neuk of Fife.
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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 November 14 14:10 GMT (UK) »
Hello Tom and ecksdochter,
Thanks for your comments - I tried some further newspaper queries to link possible items such as you suggested but nothing obvious up to end of December 1859.

I contacted SFM, Anstruther (I had visited it @1985 on a family holiday at Cellerdyke near to where the boat was lost !!!) and I have been asked to submit a query for their experts to reply to.
Many thanks,
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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 November 14 14:24 GMT (UK) »
hi jcmac,

I looked at the death certificates of the skipper, James Young aged 32, Wm Hughes aged 72 and James Hughes aged 18, which all happen to be on same page, the deaths were not registered until February 1860.

All 3 have cause of death as, "Drowned by the upsetting of a boat in a gale." and also have burial status as, "Body not found previous to this date." Importantly the boat name is not mentioned here either.

Tom
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Ireland - Tracey, Conroy, Pat(t)erson.

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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 November 14 16:00 GMT (UK) »
Tom,
Thank you for looking at these records for me - I suppose it's sod's law that the name of the boat isn't noted !!
It looks as if their bodies weren't found as distinct from having just been found.
Were these 3 deaths registered under Pittenweem or Anstruther or somewhere else?
I might carry newspaper search on to February 1860 whilst I wait for a reply from the SFM.
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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #8 on: Friday 07 November 14 17:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi jcmac,

They were registered 28th February 1860 at Pittenweem.

Tom
Scotland - Buchanan, Thomson, Pat(t)erson, Stewart, Ritchie, Tracey
Ireland - Tracey, Conroy, Pat(t)erson.