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Offline Jane Masri

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Burstow PR's
« on: Wednesday 12 November 14 10:08 GMT (UK) »
None of the online resources go up to the date I need, so hoping someone can help.
Looking for the baptism of Emily LAMBERT, 1876 ish.  Father, Edward, mother, Mary Ann or Maria.  In 1891 she states that she was born Burstow, so here's hoping,

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Re: Burstow PR's
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 11:50 GMT (UK) »
Ancestry has baptisms for St Bartholomew, Burstow covering the 1870s - but there are no Lambert baptisms - or Sargent baptisms either. I take it that George Edward and Maria Lambert and children are the family in Burstow using this name in 1881?
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 13:20 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, Galium but your reply has confused me  :-\
I'm looking for an Edward Lambert not a George.  Emily states on her marriage entry (Horley 1893) that her father is Edward, Labourer.  Of course George could be related to her father.
Can't find the Lambert family in Burstow, 1881 that you refer to, also not sure where the name Sargent comes from.  I'm also having no luck in pin pointing Emily & her family in 1881 but thanks for your help,

Jane
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 13:31 GMT (UK) »
 :-[ Sorry!  No idea where the name George came from. I meant to write Edward.

If you look for Edward and Maria Sargent in Burstow in 1881, and Horley in 1891, you will see that they look very much as though they are your Lamberts.

As well as Emily;  Mary Ann (1894), Eliza Helen (1896), Elizabeth (1898),  and Thomas Lambert (1907) all married at Horley. All name their father as Edward, labourer.

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The Sargents are at Little Lake Cottage (No 1 Cottage), Horley in 1891. Edward and Maria Lambert are at Little Lake Farm, Horley in 1901. Going by the addresses on either side, it is the same place each time.
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 13:45 GMT (UK) »
I'm feeling I am missing something too!

I can see the Sargent family you refer to , in 1881 and 1891. But nothing to indicate that they are linked to Emily Lambert!
Edward and Maria Sargent are too old to father a Thomas Lambert in 1907. Or did you mean he married in 1907?
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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 14:01 GMT (UK) »
Yes, those are marriage dates. Edward and Maria Sargent have children named  Peter, Alice, Eliza, Emily, Alfred and Elizabeth with them in 1881; and Alfred,  Elizabeth, Thomas and Albert in 1891. Edward and Maria Lambert have Alfred, Thomas and Albert with them in 1901.

Emily Lambert's marriage (to Harry Trish) was witnessed by Alice Lambert.
Mary Ann Lambert's marriage (to Thomas Alfred Fisher) is witnessed by Eliza Lambert.
Eliza Helen Lambert's marriage (to Albert Ernest Woodman) is witnessed by Elizabeth Lambert.
Elizabeth Lambert's marriage (to Henry John Jackson ) is witnessed by Emily Trish.

(Thomas married Cissie Lucas - witnesses are both Lucas's)
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Re: Burstow PR's
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 14:27 GMT (UK) »
1851 census
Nutfield, Surrey
Thomas Sargent head 62 M labourer  Burstow
Elizabeth Sargent wife 42 M             Sussex
Edward Sargent son 10                   Burstow
Ann Sargent daur 7                         Burstow
Eliza Sargent daur 4                        Burstow
Alfred Sargent son 1                     Nutfield

Marriage at Burstow 16 August 1845
Thomas Sergant [X] widower f/a weaver
s/o Stephen Sargent labourer
Elizabeth Lambert [X] widow   f/a
d/o John Denman  labourer

both of Outwood

Baptism at Burstow 29 November 1840
Edward s/o Elizabeth Lambert (Ancestry have Lambeit) .
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Re: Burstow PR's
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 15:18 GMT (UK) »
Galium this is too weird  ::) Having read your first reply I went back to Ancestry to look specifically for the Surrey baps, like you I found nothing under the name of Lambert in Burstow or Horley but then I looked at the Horley burials & found Edward & Maria Lambert buried within a week of each other in 1923  :D...address, Little Lake Farm, Horley.  Backtracking through the censuses they are there in 1911, 1901 & 1891 at the same address but 1891 has them as SARGENT & again in 1881 where I found my Emily.  Not as Lambert but as Sargent  ::)  So, my findings are the same as yours.  It seems I have some interesting research to do as to why Edward married in the name of Lambert in 1870, recorded his name as Sargent in 1881 & 1891 back to Lambert in 1901 & 1911 & buried as Lambert in 1923  :o
Should be fun  ;)

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 16:17 GMT (UK) »
It looks (from reply #6) that Edward was probably born a Lambert, son of Elizabeth from her first marriage. He would have been about 5 when his mum remarried to Thomas Sargent.
Probably he used the name Sargent then - but as we have seen seems to slip between then two names in later life, and that passes on to his children!

I think Gallium deserves a gold star for spotting this Sargent family and making the link  :)
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DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
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