Date of death for Daniel Appleton Filby - in Norfolk - + his adopted sons birth

[Mazilby]

Daniel Appleton Filby - -Daniel's parents were both buried at the Norwich Old Meeting House (Independent) cemetery, Frances on 1 June 1821 and Ann, buried 16 Jan 1822. Have just looked through from 1820 to 1830 and Daniel wasn't buried there ..we think he died in 1824
Can anyone help please?
Also he had a son called John Thompson alias Filby but we think he was adopted or was a nephew of Dan's wife Elizabeth nee Thompson - we can't find his date or place of birth. We don't think he was the illegitimate son of Elizabeth as she was born in 1768 and married in 1797 and John Thompson Filby got an apprenticeship in 1824 -1852 with Samuel Barber of Great Yarmouth. How old did they have to be to get a Mariners apprenticeship.
 Really stuck solid on this one. Would appreciate your help very much. Thanks.

[The Yokel]

Hi Mazilby

There's a Daniel Filby buried here 16 Sept 1824

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e6i/

yokel

[Mazilby]

Thanks Yokel you did great!!

Any chance you can find our John Thompson Filby's birth as John Thompson?  It's a tricky one that has had us stuck for weeks! On ancestry someone said he was born in Kent not Norfolk but they had no evidence.

[The Yokel]

There seem to be a lot of John Thompsons about, do you have any dates for him?
Have you found him on the 1851 census whilst he was doing his apprenticeship?

[Mazilby]

HI, trouble is he married in Oz!! This is all I could get about him, NO AGE on anything I found but guessing between 1800 - 1815 relating to probable age of an apprentice.......Thanks
JOHN THOMPSON FILBY was born in Norwich St Benedict, Norfolk, England ( Guess only) .. He died on 05 Aug 1854 in Clarence River District, NSW, Australia; From coroners inquest.
He married AMELIA SMITH on 12 Mar 1846 in 1846 Listed as John Thompson alias Filby on his marriage certificate. (St Phillip's, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia; Marriage: V1846621 31C). She was born about 1827 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.
At Great Yarmouth one of the very few apprenticeship records was listed:
1824 -1852 FILBY to BARBER
Be it remembered that on the 7th day of June 1826 Samuel Smith BARBER - ship owner bought an indenture dated the 6th inst. by which John Thompson FILBY hath put himself apprentice to the said Samuel Smith Barber for seven years from the date and prayed the same might be recorded according to an order of Assembly made 7th day of July 1785.
WILL
John Thompson Filby, 16th dec., late of Great Yarmouth. Mariner died 15/8/54 at Clarence River, Australia. Grant to attorney of Amelia HALL (wife of James Hall) formely FILBY, widow the relic at Duckenfield near Hexham in the district of hunter River in New South Wales Australia. Estate under £450 resworn Aug 1881 estate under £600

[The Yokel]

Hi
Norwich St Benedicts PR's are available to view online here http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e6y/

there is a baptism for Francis to Daniel Filby and Elizabeth late Tompson 29 Apr 1798 (http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e6z/)
 then his burial  (http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e70/)

then a baptism of Francis Ellis to the same couple here http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e71/

I have not found a baptism for John (might be worth you checking ) it could be possible that Daniel and Elizabeth went to the Independent Church and had him baptised there!

Could someone do an 1841 census lookup for him?

yokel

ps

1824 -1852 FILBY to BARBER (Have you found him on the 1851 census whilst he was doing his apprenticeship)

mis-understood that bit

[Mazilby]

  No didn't have any luck there. Tried st Benedicts Norwich where his adopted parents were married.

Have you got the IGI?
My library is closed for refitt and can't get to any other. Would like to check and see if a John Thompson was born to any female Thompson around 1800 - 1813

Can't find it on the internet and not in ancestry.com

Re apprenticeship - I figured that to take on this he had to be about 13,14,15 years of age so that would make him born around 1810 ish?

[The Yokel]

I know he gives his name as John Thompson alias Filby, are you sure that he was adopted. Daniel and Elizabeth were still having children at this time.

Have tried here https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi

And here  https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1473014

The trouble with Norwich is that there are a lot of parishes close together (walk across the street and you are in another one)

Are there any passenger lists that show him going to Australia, or did he just leave the ship he was travelling on.

Not sure where to go from here

[Mazilby]

 :)Hi, really appreciate your help but like you I don't know which way to go! Not in 1841 or 51 census with his parents.  The fact that he was a mariner and sailed all the time we don't know when he actually decided to emigrate. He obviously had to continue working out of Great Yarmouth while he was an apprentice, but from sailing records (commencing 1940)he remained on the vessels owned by Barber for many years and then sailed the rivers in Oz delivering etc. Nothing gives his age!! There's loads about his life once he  married but prior to that almost nothing. We only know from his grandson that he said himself he was adopted, but the fact that his middle name was Thompson, although he adopted Filby from an early age (his apprenticeship)he does not exist in any Filby databases that we have... neither birth nor adoption, just the apprenticeship notice.  I am currently downloading the IGI from JCLS vital records, so fingers crossed there is a result - but I don't hold out much hope!   Many many thanks.