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Offline Romilly

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Could these names suggest Isle of Man Links?
« on: Monday 24 November 14 19:50 GMT (UK) »


I have been searching for about 40yrs now for a Birth Entry for my late Grandfather, William James Wilson (1860 - 1937).

On both the 1901 and 1911 Censuses he gives his POB as Manchester Lancs...

However, I have never been able to find a Birth Entry for him:-(

It has been suggested to me that some of his son's middle names might have links to the Isle of Man...

They were: William Havelock Wilson (1894 - 1974)
                  Evan Douglas Wilson (1896 - 1957)
                  Ernest Rencella Wilson (1897 - 1957)
                  George Felix Wilson (1900 - 1970)
                  Richard Wilson (1902 - 1959)
                  Archibald Wilson (1903 - 1930)

Can anyone on here see any Manx links please? (William James Wilson settled in Swansea when he Married Margaret Rees in Swansea in June 1893, and all of his sons were born in Swansea. He was a Painter and Decorator).

Cheers, Romilly.
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Re: Could these names suggest Isle of Man Links?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 24 November 14 19:56 GMT (UK) »
Can't see it myself. Sure, Douglas is on the IoM but it's hardly an unusual name, and I can't see any links with Rencella or Havelock.

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Re: Could these names suggest Isle of Man Links?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 24 November 14 20:10 GMT (UK) »
Can't see it myself. Sure, Douglas is on the IoM but it's hardly an unusual name, and I can't see any links with Rencella or Havelock.

Mike

Apparently Mount Havelock is in Douglas and there is a place called Rencell (Laxey) on the IOM.

Romilly
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Re: Could these names suggest Isle of Man Links?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 24 November 14 21:02 GMT (UK) »
Isn't this a better fit?

Births, September qtr 1859
Manchester district     vol 8d, page 138

Wilson, James William
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Re: Could these names suggest Isle of Man Links?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 24 November 14 21:11 GMT (UK) »
Havelock is a surname found in Glamorgan and other parts of Wales so I'd be inclined to look for a link there.
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Re: Could these names suggest Isle of Man Links?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 24 November 14 21:27 GMT (UK) »
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Isn't this a better fit?

Births, September qtr 1859
Manchester district     vol 8d, page 138

Wilson, James William
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I'm fairly certain that I have previously ordered that Cert and that it didn't fit with the info on the Marriage Cert.

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Re: Could these names suggest Isle of Man Links?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 24 November 14 21:31 GMT (UK) »
Havelock is a surname found in Glamorgan and other parts of Wales so I'd be inclined to look for a link there.

Welsh naming patterns seem to have been followed to some extent here and so I would expect William Havelock to come from the paternal side.

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Re: Could these names suggest Isle of Man Links?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 November 14 23:20 GMT (UK) »
Mount Havelock in Douglas was so named c.1857 at time of Indian Mutiny and so named after Sir Henry Havelock who was responsible for relief of Lucknow that year + died shortly afterwards - no Manx connection I can see
any thing with a Manx Connection

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Re: Could these names suggest Isle of Man Links?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 26 November 14 23:34 GMT (UK) »
The 1859 birth is on www.lancashirebmd.org.uk and shows mmn was also Wilson which could possibly suggest that child was illegitimate.

Are you working from a fathers name on his marriage cert?

What about earlier census entries as you only mention 1901/1911
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