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Kinrosshire birth look up please-Alexander Greig
« on: Saturday 29 November 14 20:50 GMT (UK) »
I have been trying unsuccessfully to find the parents of Alexander Malcolm Greig.  He was born (or christened) 11 Feb 1819 in Kinrosshire, Scotland.  I have not been able to find a town.  He immigrated to America April 7, 1841 and may have been traveling with a William Greig.  Nothing is mentioned on his death record, immigration or naturalization papers.  I don't know if William is a brother or cousin.  Any help or leads are appreciated.  Thank you :)  Alexander did have children named Andrew, Isabella, John and William.

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Re: Kinrosshire birth look up please-Alexander Greig
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 12:07 GMT (UK) »
The only Alexander I can find in the IGI is this one.
Name:   Alexander Greig
Birth:   29 Sep 1821, PORTMOAK, KINROSS, SCOTLAND
Father:   William Greig
Mother:   Janet Mcgreigor
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Re: Kinrosshire birth look up please-Alexander Greig
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 14:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi ,

The IGI has some references for a couple Andrew Greig and Isabel Malco(l)m in Portmoak Kinross round about 1810.



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Re: Kinrosshire birth look up please-Alexander Greig
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 15:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi ,
The IGI has some references for a couple Andrew Greig and Isabel Malco(l)m in Portmoak Kinross round about 1810.
ev

Good find ev.
Name:   Peter Greig
Birth:   18 Dec 1809, PORTMOAK, KINROSS, SCOTLAND
Father:   Andrew Greig
Mother:   Isabel Malcolm

and this is the parents (I think) in the census.
1841 census: Kinnesswood, Portmoak, Kinrossshire, Scotland
Andrew   Greig   Male   60   1781   Kinrossshire, Scotland   
Isabel   Greig   Female   60   1781   Kinrossshire, Scotland   
Andrew   Youl   Male   10   1831   Kinrossshire, Scotland

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Re: Kinrosshire birth look up please-Alexander Greig
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 19:31 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone for the help.  His grave stone is 1819 and his naturalization states 1819, so I believe this is the correct birthdate.  Does anyone have records to the actual Portmoak records to see if he is listed in the 1819 births and belong to Andrew and Isabel?

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Re: Kinrosshire birth look up please-Alexander Greig
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 20:12 GMT (UK) »
Here is another son
Name:   Andrew Greig
Birth:   31 Dec 1805, PORTMOAK, KINROSS, SCOTLAND
Father:   Andrew Greig
Mother:   Isabel Malcom

and here is a possible marriage for the parents
Name:   Andrew Greig
Spouse:   Isobel Malcolm
Event Date:   13 Oct 1803, Edinburgh Parish, Midlothian, Scotland
Spouse's Father:   Peter Malcolm
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Re: Kinrosshire birth look up please-Alexander Greig
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 20:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi techgal

Welcome to Rootschat  :)

Unfortunately, this period that you are looking at is before the start of official registration in Scotland from 1855. Before this, you are reliant on the Old Parish Registers (OPRs). Only about a third of births, marriages and deaths/burials were registered in this period (deaths/burials the worst of all). 

I think the family being discussed by buckhind and ev look like really strong possibilities. Not all births may show where you find some possibilites for a family. Registers for areas/parishes have different time periods for example. Not all may have survived over time.

I think the entries mentioned by buckhind are early. Alexander's one, if he belonged to this family, is some nearly 10 years later. The OPR may be a different ledger...

What was Alexander and William's occupation in Canada? The Greigs that show for this group in the early censuses look to have been weavers. However, occupations changed with the challenges faced with migration...

Monica  :)
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Re: Kinrosshire birth look up please-Alexander Greig
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Hello techgal,
     Re: post by buckhind.  Alexander Greig, born Portmoak, Kinross-shire, 29th Sept,1821 was my 2xG.Grandfather. He married Mary Reid, 1858 in Edinburgh. They had 3 children, all born at Portmoak. William Greig 1858-1922 (My G.Grandfather). Mary Barclay Greig 1865-1885 & Janet McGregor Greig 1867-1932. Alexander died 1892 at Portmoak age 70yrs. My 2xG.Grandmother, Mary Reid died 1902 at Portmoak age 73yrs.
     Alexander's parents, (my 3xG.Grandparents) William Greig & Janet McGrigor/McGregor, married December 1815 at Portmoak. Janet died 1863 at Portmoak age 76yrs. She was living with her father, William McGrigor, on the 1841 Census so assume William Greig, a weaver, died before then. So, not the family you are looking for.
     
     If you have listed Alexander Malcolm Greig's children in the order they were born, then it is possible that Andrew is named after Alexander's father. (1st son named after father's father).
     While I was working on my own tree I came across the family that 'ev' mentions in her reply. I have a bit of information on them but please bear in mind there are a lot of Greigs & Malcolms in the Kinross area and this is only one of perhaps many possibilities. 
     
          Marriage: Andrew Greig & Isobel Malcolm married 13th Oct,1803 in Edinburgh, Scotland. Isobel was the daughter of Peter Malcolm, Carter of Orwell Parish, Kinross-shire.
     
          Births: Only found 2 births for this couple (ScotlandsPeople & FamilySearch)
     Sarah Greig b 22nd Nov, baptized 13th Dec, 1807 at Portmoak, Kinross-shire.
     Peter Greig  b 31st Dec, 1809 at Portmoak.
     
          Death: (Children and their ages & if deceased are all listed on this 1855 DC)
     Andrew Greig, Hand loom Weaver, died 3rd Oct, 1855 at Kinnesswood, Portmoak age 76yrs.
     Married to Isabel Greig ms Malcolm deceased.
     Son of Andrew Greig, Agricultural Labourer (Ag Lab) & Isabel Greig ms Jackson.
     Informant: Andrew Greig, Son. Burial: Church Yard, Portmoak.
     Children are:
          Andrew,    age 49.             (born abt 1806)
          Sarah,      age  47.            (born Dec.1807)
          Peter,   died 1812             (born Dec.1809)
          Isabel,  died 1849 age 37  (born abt 1812)
          Janet,       age 40.             (born abt 1815)
          William,    age 37.             (born abt 1818)
          Alexander age 35.             (born abt 1820)
          John         age 33.             (born abt 1822)

          1841 Census. (dated 6-7th June, 1841) Kinnesswood, Portmoak, Kinross-shire. (Ancestry)
     Andrew Greig 60 Hand Loom Weaver b Kinross-shire.
     Isabel Greig   60            -                 b         "
     Andrew Goul  10                              b         "         (Youl on 'evs' post)

          1851 Census. Kinnesswood, Portmoak, Kinross-shire.
     Andrew Greig,  Head   72 Weaver          b Portmoak, Kinross-shire.
     Andrew Brown, G.Son 14 Weaver (App) b Markinch, Fife.
     Andrew Greig,  G.Son  14     "         "     b Portmoak, Kinross-shire.

     Oldest son Andrew Greig married Mary More, 16th Jan, 1835 at Portmoak.
     Daughter Sarah Greig married John Yule 16th Aug,1828, Portmoak, 29th Aug, St Andrews, Fife.

     Can't find all my notes but I think I managed to track most of the family apart from sons William & Alexander so the possibility is there. Hope other Rootchatters can add to that information.

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Re: Kinrosshire birth look up please-Alexander Greig
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 22:09 GMT (UK) »
Excellent post Dod.  :)
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