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Re: Lookup of Thomas & Sarah McDonald: Parents of Patrick
« Reply #9 on: Monday 12 January 15 22:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi, this may help. If you go onto the site rootsireland.ie they have a birth for Patrick McDonald son of Thomas Mcdonald of county Carlow if you fill in 1843 +/- 10 years. It is a pay per view site. The mother's name does not come up as sarah but many times a wife's name was not recorded on the birth. Let me know if this is any help, Kim

That shows up as the baptism of a Patrick Mcdonald to a Thomas and "S" Mcdonald in Borris in 1839
This is really interesting! I can't thank you enough for this info. I was tentative about the naturalization record being that of my Patrick, since there are a few in Fall River at that time.  However, the other nat. papers of Patrick McDonalds all had either different occupations listed, or were naturalized after my Patrick's death. Finding a Thomas and "S" McDonald with a son Patrick really starts to firm things up! How concerned should I be about the birth year? The earliest birth I have for him is 1843. I know birth years can fluctuate greatly.Incidentally, I found the nat. record of Michael O'Brien, whom I believe to be a relative of Patrick's wife Anna (O'Brien).  His nat record lists Carlow as well as place of birth.
Thanks again, guys!
Steve
Baker: Dorset, England > Newfoundland > Massachusetts
Peddle: England > Newfoundland
White: Dorset, England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England > Braintree, Massachusetts
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Re: Lookup of Thomas & Sarah McDonald: Parents of Patrick
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 13 January 15 10:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I would not be concerned that the record is dated 1839 as you will find with most Irish records that they seem to never come up as a date that matches other records you may have on the same person. They are generally speaking within a range of +/- 5 yrs but I have seen some out by as much as 15 years. The Irish are a race that gets perpetually younger. Kim

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Re: Lookup of Thomas & Sarah McDonald: Parents of Patrick
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 13 January 15 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Had a quick look on rootsireland and if you search;

Mcdonald children baptised 10 years either side of 1839 to a Thomas and Sa Mcdonald in Borris parish you get the following;

Patrick 1839
Andrew 1841
James 1837
John 1835
John 1835
Bernard 1844
Michael 1846
Mary 1849

No results using Sarah,just Sa.This is prob. a transcription error.
None of this is really definite but maybe worth a look.They only have transcriptions so mistakes can be very easy to make at times.Hard to beat seeing the originals.

Maybe none of the above is really of any use but worth a look if you decide to speculate a few euro. For the months sub. to be worthwhile you would really need to have a few to research
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley Colman Deegan Dunne Maher Dempsey Conlon Griffin Bergin Lalor Keys Bonham Brennan Hart(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Mullen Hanaway Brennan Keeffe Reddy (Carlow)
O'Neill Doyle Donnelly Devlin  (Tyrone) Connor, Burbidge,McNally (Dublin)Hannon McCarthy (Tipperary)Healy Miley Treacy (Wicklow)Kelly (Kildare)

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Re: Lookup of Thomas & Sarah McDonald: Parents of Patrick
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 13 January 15 22:14 GMT (UK) »
Noland01
This keeps getting better. I wanted to hold off on subscribing but I can't see any reason why, after this info. So much of it is jibing with my info.  Thanks so much!

Steve
Baker: Dorset, England > Newfoundland > Massachusetts
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Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England > Braintree, Massachusetts
Marks: Portugal > Massachusetts
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > Massachusetts
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Re: Lookup of Thomas & Sarah McDonald: Parents of Patrick
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 13 January 15 22:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I would not be concerned that the record is dated 1839 as you will find with most Irish records that they seem to never come up as a date that matches other records you may have on the same person. They are generally speaking within a range of +/- 5 yrs but I have seen some out by as much as 15 years. The Irish are a race that gets perpetually younger. Kim
Thanks Kim, I had the feeling I shouldn't be too worried about that. Thanks again.
Steve
Baker: Dorset, England > Newfoundland > Massachusetts
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Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England > Braintree, Massachusetts
Marks: Portugal > Massachusetts
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > Massachusetts
Farnum, Phillips: England > Barbados

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Re: Lookup of Thomas & Sarah McDonald: Parents of Patrick
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 13 January 15 22:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I just checked that record. The mother is listed as Sally Neil. I'm not sure where you see just "Sa".
Baker: Dorset, England > Newfoundland > Massachusetts
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White: Dorset, England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England > Braintree, Massachusetts
Marks: Portugal > Massachusetts
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > Massachusetts
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Re: Lookup of Thomas & Sarah McDonald: Parents of Patrick
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 13 January 15 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I just checked that record. The mother is listed as Sally Neil. I'm not sure where you see just "Sa".

I was using "S" as mothers name which gave those results as did "Sa" but not Sarah.

You can search using part of a christian name and keep adding letters until you get a full name.This can sometimes eliminate certain people or results.
For example searching for a "Paul Murphy" you will get a result when you use P Murphy but this will include all Patrick's ,Peter's, etc etc.Using "Pa" eliminates Peter but not Patrick Murphy's.
Then using "Pau"  should give you his christian name unless another name starts with
"Pau" (are there some?)
Basically a guessing game.

Not a great explanation I will admit.

Anyways did you look at the transcription and do you think it might be the family you are looking at ?
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley Colman Deegan Dunne Maher Dempsey Conlon Griffin Bergin Lalor Keys Bonham Brennan Hart(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Mullen Hanaway Brennan Keeffe Reddy (Carlow)
O'Neill Doyle Donnelly Devlin  (Tyrone) Connor, Burbidge,McNally (Dublin)Hannon McCarthy (Tipperary)Healy Miley Treacy (Wicklow)Kelly (Kildare)

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Re: Lookup of Thomas & Sarah McDonald: Parents of Patrick
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 14 January 15 00:31 GMT (UK) »
I'm not too sure yet.  I saved the record, but as I am looking for Sarah, and this one was Sally, I don't know what to think.  Per your explanation, should I try just "S"?

Thanks for helping.  I will post again soon!
Baker: Dorset, England > Newfoundland > Massachusetts
Peddle: England > Newfoundland
White: Dorset, England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England > Braintree, Massachusetts
Marks: Portugal > Massachusetts
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > Massachusetts
Farnum, Phillips: England > Barbados

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Re: Lookup of Thomas & Sarah McDonald: Parents of Patrick
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 14 January 15 00:44 GMT (UK) »
I'm not too sure yet.  I saved the record, but as I am looking for Sarah, and this one was Sally, I don't know what to think.  Per your explanation, should I try just "S"?

Sarah has many variants i.e. searching with just "S" will give ANY name beginning with "S"

Variants - Sarah, Sara, Sally, Una, Clara................the list goes on

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