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The Very Mysterious John FLETCHER
« on: Saturday 06 December 14 00:06 GMT (UK) »
My great grandfather's brother, John FLETCHER, has long been a mystery to us. Wondering if anyone can see something that we are missing??

John was the son of Alexander FLETCHER, a shepherd, and Catherine MCPHAIL. This couple had 10 children - John, Alexander, Angus, Ronald, Colin, Margaret, Catherine, Mary, Lily and Jane, all born at Achadeshenaig, Glen Aros, Mull, Argyll in the mid 1800s. Today, we found John's birth on SP but it only poses more questions. He was born on October 25th, 1858 but strangely enough it looks like he was originally called/christened (maybe even registered) as Archibald and then later named John which was registered on November 6th, 1858.

He worked at the Salen Hotel in the 1870s and 1880s, then disappears. We have very few clues, at least none that have helped us so far. The story goes that he joined the military and at some point deserted and then lived the rest of his days in/near Taynuilt under the assumed name of John MCDONALD. A nephew took care of his affairs after his death and it was he who supplied this information. John MCDONALD is such a common name and so many villages and parishes border Taynuilt, and the lack of a death year all make this a difficult task. He likely died between 1930 and 1950, so I wouldn't be surprised if some old native of Taynuilt might recall him.

John FLETCHER (alias MCDONALD) may have been married. The clue that hints at that is a circa 1900 photograph of my grandfather, Alexander FLETCHER (1890 - 1950), and all his siblings plus one extra child. This boy was only known to be called John and died not long after this. He may have been born around 1890, from how he looks in the photo.

As you can see, we have little more than tantalizing clues. My father has been going through John FLETCHERs and John MCDONALDs on SP but there are too many of them! Thanks for any ideas.

Mary Fletcher Harris
Canada

Fletcher of Glen Orchy, Argyll, McGregor of Argyll and Balquhidder, Perth, Mathison, Laidlaw, Forsyth of Dumfriesshire, McMillan, Johnston, Galbraith, Nicholson of Argyll, McPhail, McArthur, McKinnon, McLean, Paterson from Isle of Mull

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Re: The Very Mysterious John FLETCHER
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 06 December 14 17:20 GMT (UK) »
Twins possibly, one expected to live the other one weaker?

dates etc according to FamilySearch

Alexander Fletcher/Catherine McPhail Marriage & Banns: 1 January 1854 Kilchrenan And Dalavich,Argyll,Scotland and 2 January 1854 Salen By Tobermory,Argyll,Scotland

Children in date order (all listed as Salen)

Angus Fletcher    07 Mar 1855
Mary Fletcher 13 Dec 1856
John Fletcher 25 Oct 1858
Peggy Fletcher     02 Aug 1860 (Margaret)
Jane Scott Fletcher     11 Jul 1862
Lilly Fletcher 18 Jun 1864
Collin Fletcher 25 May 1866
Ronald Fletcher  25 Apr 1868
Alexander Fletcher 08 Apr 1870
Catherine Fletcher 26 May 1873

No sign of an Archibald on FS and John's dob tallies with date you give for Archibald  :-\
Could it be an error on the register?

ETA Grandparents shown here http://www.mullgenealogy.co.uk/
Ireland, Co Antrim: Kerr; Hollinger; Forsythe; Moore
Ireland, Co Louth: Carson; Leslie
Ireland, Co Kerry: Ferris
Scotland, Perthshire/Glasgow:  Stewart
England, Devon/Cornwall: Ferris, Gasser/Jasser/Jesser, Norman

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Re: The Very Mysterious John FLETCHER
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 06 December 14 17:48 GMT (UK) »
John and Lil(l)y both appear together on the 1881 census for Salen
1881 Salen   District No : 3   Page No : 4   House No : 67   Locality : Salen 188140680
McCalman   Dugald   35    Head    General Merchant   Kilmalie, Inverness, Scotland
McLachlan   John   13    Nephew    Scholar   Tobermory, Argyll, Scotland
Clark   Isabella   24    Servant    Servant Domestic   Kilmalie, Inverness, Scotland
Fletcher   John   22    Servant    Shopkeeper   Kilninian, Argyll, Scotland
Fletcher   Lilly   16    Servant    Servant Domestic   Kilninian, Argyll, Scotland


So the next move would be to find him in 1891 census

ps Where did his parents go after 1881, I don't see them on Mull? When did Alex snr die?
Ireland, Co Antrim: Kerr; Hollinger; Forsythe; Moore
Ireland, Co Louth: Carson; Leslie
Ireland, Co Kerry: Ferris
Scotland, Perthshire/Glasgow:  Stewart
England, Devon/Cornwall: Ferris, Gasser/Jasser/Jesser, Norman

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Re: The Very Mysterious John FLETCHER
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 December 14 17:55 GMT (UK) »
This looks like Col(l)in in 1911
1911 Kilfinichen & Kilvickeon   District No : 3   Page No : 1   House No : 3   Locality : Ardchrionish
Fletcher   Colin   44    Head    Farm Manager   Argyllshire, Salen
Fletcher   Maggie   37    Wife       Argyllshire, Ardnamurchan
Fletcher   Alexander   9    Son    School   Argyllshire, Ardnamurchan
Fletcher   Christina   6    Daur       Argyllshire, Kilfinichen
Fletcher   Colin   3    Son       Argyllshire, Kilfinichen
McMaster   Christina   24    Servant    General Servant (Domestic)   Argyllshire, Kilfinichen

and with his mum and sibs in 1891

1891 Kilninian & Kilmore   District No : 3   Page No : 3   House No : 17   Locality : Archnacraig Farm
Fletcher   Catherine   62    Head       Argyllshire Kilchoman
Fletcher   Colin   24    Son    Shepherd   Argyllshire Torosay
Fletcher   Alexander   20    Son    Farm Servant   Argyllshire Torosay
Fletcher   Katie   17    Dau    General Servant   Argyllshire Torosay 
Ireland, Co Antrim: Kerr; Hollinger; Forsythe; Moore
Ireland, Co Louth: Carson; Leslie
Ireland, Co Kerry: Ferris
Scotland, Perthshire/Glasgow:  Stewart
England, Devon/Cornwall: Ferris, Gasser/Jasser/Jesser, Norman


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Re: The Very Mysterious John FLETCHER
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 December 14 18:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mary and Fifer  :)

There are a number of online trees for this line. Alexander's Snr.'s death is given as being on 18 Nov 1883 in Aros Mains, Salen and wife Catherine's in 1904 in Derryguaig.

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Re: The Very Mysterious John FLETCHER
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 December 14 18:05 GMT (UK) »
Fifer, that 1891 census entry you posted, what is the source for this one? From one of the transcript services, they show son John rather than Colin  :-\ Odd, the age on the entry certainly fits for Colin.

Catherine Fletcher 62
John Fletcher 24 shepherd
Alexander Fletcher 20
Katie Fletcher 17

Address: Achnacraig Farm

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Re: The Very Mysterious John FLETCHER
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 December 14 18:11 GMT (UK) »
Mary, has anyone ever followed up on this possible entry from 1901?

Catherin Fletcher 78 b. Argyle, Kilininan
John Fletcher 40 son, gamekeeper, b. Argyle, Small Isle Hum (as transcribed)
Mary Fletcher 38 gamekeeper's wife b. Argyl, Kilininan
Anna Bella Fletcher 2 daughter b. argyl, Torosay

Address: Ballamenach, Torosay, Salen

Monica

Added:  ;D Maybe we are in the land of Fletchers. This looks like it may be the correct entry for Catherine Snr. in 1901, if the death place given in 1904 for Catherine Snr is correct:

Allan Cameron 39 shepherd b. Acharacle Argyll
Catherine Cameron 27 b. Kilninian, Argyll
Catherine Fletcher 72 b. Mother-in-law b. Dalavich, Argyll
Peter MacNally 35
John MacNally 25

Address: Derryguaig Cortage, Torosay, Salen
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Re: The Very Mysterious John FLETCHER
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 December 14 18:29 GMT (UK) »
Fifer, that 1891 census entry you posted, what is the source for this one? From one of the transcript services, they show son John rather than Colin  :-\ Odd, the age on the entry certainly fits for Colin.

Catherine Fletcher 62
John Fletcher 24 shepherd
Alexander Fletcher 20
Katie Fletcher 17

Address: Achnacraig Farm

Monica

Mull Genealogy show Colin Monica and tbf they're usually very reliable  :-\  Thinking about it further it would be a simple enough step from shepherd 1891 to farm manager 1911.
Ireland, Co Antrim: Kerr; Hollinger; Forsythe; Moore
Ireland, Co Louth: Carson; Leslie
Ireland, Co Kerry: Ferris
Scotland, Perthshire/Glasgow:  Stewart
England, Devon/Cornwall: Ferris, Gasser/Jasser/Jesser, Norman

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Re: The Very Mysterious John FLETCHER
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 December 14 18:49 GMT (UK) »
Monica

Added:  ;D Maybe we are in the land of Fletchers. This looks like it may be the correct entry for Catherine Snr. in 1901, if the death place given in 1904 for Catherine Snr is correct:

Allan Cameron 39 shepherd b. Acharacle Argyll
Catherine Cameron 27 b. Kilninian, Argyll
Catherine Fletcher 72 b. Mother-in-law b. Dalavich, Argyll
Peter MacNally 35
John MacNally 25

Address: Derryguaig Cortage, Torosay, Salen

That's the one Monica a Catherine Fletcher married an Allan Cameron in Tobermory 1899 (acc to SP)

ETA Allan gains a whopping 8 years in 1911 but he and Catherine have moved again and don't appear to have any children.

1911 Kilninian & Kilmore   District No : 1   Page No : 3   House No : 18   Locality : Lettermore
Cameron   Allan   49    Head    Shepherd   Argyllshire, Ardnamurchan
Cameron   Catherine   37    Wife       Argyllshire, Torosay
MacMillan   Catherine   24    Visitor    
MacLeod   Angus   68    Boarder    

Ireland, Co Antrim: Kerr; Hollinger; Forsythe; Moore
Ireland, Co Louth: Carson; Leslie
Ireland, Co Kerry: Ferris
Scotland, Perthshire/Glasgow:  Stewart
England, Devon/Cornwall: Ferris, Gasser/Jasser/Jesser, Norman