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Phillip Hart son of Barnett Hart
« on: Thursday 11 December 14 15:00 GMT (UK) »
Looking for any info on Phillip Hart - b 1863, married Miriam Harris 1885 and died 1918. London. No trace of him in any census prior to marriage.  His father is Barnett Hart and his mother is Emma. No marriage records that I can find for these two either.
He also went under the name Thomas Robinson....for some reason!
Does anyone have any info please?  He was Jewish.
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Re: Phillip Hart son of Barnett Hart
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 11 December 14 15:03 GMT (UK) »
On the census after marriage what is his birthplace?

Parents may have married in another country.
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Re: Phillip Hart son of Barnett Hart
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 11 December 14 15:10 GMT (UK) »
After his marriage all the census are in his alternate name of Thomas Robinson. They all say born Aldgate 1863. I have sent off for the only Phillip Hart born in Aldgate in that year, and it is the wrong one.  He was in the pub business so I believe that he only went to his alternate name when older. His marriage cert is def in the name of Phillip Hart.
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Re: Phillip Hart son of Barnett Hart
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 11 December 14 15:14 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if he really was born in London.  That might just be the place he arrived at  :-\ 

How do we know his mother was called Emma if no birth for him or marriage for parents?
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Re: Phillip Hart son of Barnett Hart
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 11 December 14 15:26 GMT (UK) »
In his will: "to my mother Emma Hart the sum of one hundred pounds"....
Barnett Hart was already dead by time of marriage in 1885.
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Re: Phillip Hart son of Barnett Hart
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 11 December 14 15:26 GMT (UK) »
Which birth did you get that was wrong?

There's one Sep 1861 Mile End Old Town
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Sep 1863 Whitechapel

There's a Phillip age 9 in Aldgate in 1871 with older sisters Hannah - Esther - Rebecca - Sarah.
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Re: Phillip Hart son of Barnett Hart
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 11 December 14 15:28 GMT (UK) »
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In his will: "to my mother Emma Hart the sum of one hundred pounds"....

Right thanks that's interesting.  So his mother was still alive - she must be on a census, what is her birthplace? 
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Re: Phillip Hart son of Barnett Hart
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 11 December 14 15:34 GMT (UK) »
This one has a mother Emma Hart but all Essex based so probably wrong family :(

1871

Henry Hart 47
Emma 41
George 19
David 15
Emma 10
Phillip 8
Walter 6
Harry 3
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Re: Phillip Hart son of Barnett Hart
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 11 December 14 15:50 GMT (UK) »
There's a family tree which has a sister for Phillip - Elizabeth born Whitechapel 1879.
Marriage to Abraham Barnett 1904.
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