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John and Ann Newberry (or Newbery) Ashby De La Zouch and Church Langton
« on: Sunday 21 December 14 11:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I am having trouble in tracing a marriage and birth details for John and Ann Newberry (Newbery).

From the Census of 1851 John is a Tailor, born around 1811 in Ashby De La zouch. Ann is a Glove Maker born around 1819 in Church Langton. Their 4 children are born in 3 different places Ashby, Church Langton and St Margarets and they age from 4 to 13.

I would be grateful if anyone could have a shufty at this and help me out.

Many thanks, (and happy Christmas!!)

Regards

Eric

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Re: John and Ann Newberry (or Newbery) Ashby De La Zouch and Church Langton
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 December 14 14:07 GMT (UK) »
Have you found them in 1841 - just in case it is a second marriage for his wife?

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Re: John and Ann Newberry (or Newbery) Ashby De La Zouch and Church Langton
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 28 December 14 23:42 GMT (UK) »
1841  HO107/594/227/14
Market Street Ashpinshaws Yard Ashby de la Zouch

John    Newbery    Male    31    1810    Leicestershire
Ann    Newbery    Female    35    1806    Leicestershire
Mary Ann    Newbery    Female    8    1833    
Frederick    Newbery    Male    6    1835
Sarah    Newbery    Female    4    1837    Leicestershire
Emma    Newbery    Female    1    1840    Leicestershire

There is a marriage to Ann Ison in Birmingham

18 Oct 1831
Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England

1861 they are in Birmingham, Sarah marries in Birmingham and Frederick is a witness
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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: John and Ann Newberry (or Newbery) Ashby De La Zouch and Church Langton
« Reply #3 on: Monday 29 December 14 10:05 GMT (UK) »
There is a discussion about this on - http://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-43831.html

Also a tree on Ancestry which has the marriage as that to Ann Ison and parents of John as Francis Newberry and Hannah Mason. Also his birth (baptism?) in Ashby as 29th April 1810.

David

P.S. A copy from the marriage register in 1831 is available on Ancestry


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Re: John and Ann Newberry (or Newbery) Ashby De La Zouch and Church Langton
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 January 15 19:00 GMT (UK) »
Cheers guys for the help. I include below what i posted on the Leicestershire FHS site. Yes, it appears that Ann Ison may well have been the  lady married to John Newberry in 1831.

'Can anyone help with this one. I am researching a John Newbery (DOB 1810), from Ashby De La Zouch. He was married and his wife was called Ann, (Born in Church Langton.). The 1841 Ashby de la Zouch census gives a birth date for his wife Ann as 1806. There is a marriage of a John Newbery to an Ann Ison in Birmingham 1831, I am unsure if this is the right marriage but cannot find a better fit. The marriage entry for John Newbery and Ann Ison shows marriage by Banns and no indication that she was under age, so I assume that the 1841 census gives her correct age.

In later census's his wife, Anns', age is given between 1817-1819. I have found her death registration in 1893 which gives an age of 75 and a birth date of 1818. This agrees with the 1851 and later census.

Is it  possible that John had two wives, both named Ann? The first could be Ann Ison born 1806, married 1831 and possibly died/disappeared before 1841 census where Ann suddenly become about 12 years younger for the remainder of her life. It is also possible that she decided to tell phibs about her age?

I think the way to prove this would be to obtain two of their childrens birth certificates, one for Sarah b. 1837 and the other for say Amelia b. 1842. This should give the mothers maiden names and prove the suggestion or otherwise. I haven't as yet located a suitable death reg for Ann circa 1841 or a new marriage for John, but then registrations did not always take place in the early years. I haven't  located a birth reg or baptism for Thomas Circa 1841 which may be an indication of family turmoil. The trouble is that even if you had Sarah's and Ameilai's birth certificates my Great x 2 Grandfather is Thomas, and without any birth information I fear, for his mother's line at least,  the search ends here'


As i said above,if we agree there was a 2nd wife called Ann but there is no GRO i fear I have had it!!

Any comments?

Thanks

Eric

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Re: John and Ann Newberry (or Newbery) Ashby De La Zouch and Church Langton
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 January 15 20:02 GMT (UK) »
Amelia's baptism is 15 May 1842 at Ashby, no marriages in Leicestershire for a John Newber(r)y that I can find pre 1837 but there are 2 in Leicester 1837-1870

1843 Register office and there is an Ann Taylor among the grouping
1846   Q2 15/144   18-Jun   St Nicholas
NEWBERRY   John   Leicester         
SWINGLER   Ann

There is a burial for an Ann Newberry at Ashby age 38 1844 and Sarah's baptism is 17 Sep 1837

Deaths Dec 1844 
NEWBERY    Ann        Ashby de la Z    15/2

Births Sep 1837   
NEWBERY    Sarah        Ashby de la Zouch    15/3

Just checking the papers
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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: John and Ann Newberry (or Newbery) Ashby De La Zouch and Church Langton
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 January 15 20:10 GMT (UK) »
There's a report

Leicester Chronicle 20 August 1853

Of Ann Newberry badly treating her step daughter Amelia,

Leicester Journal 26 August 1853

a further report, gives more details
Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: John and Ann Newberry (or Newbery) Ashby De La Zouch and Church Langton
« Reply #7 on: Monday 05 January 15 09:37 GMT (UK) »
There is a baptism for Ann Swingler in East and West, Church-Langton in 1817, which fits with the 1851 census, so the 1846 marriage looks like the right one and ties in with the newspaper report.

David

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Re: John and Ann Newberry (or Newbery) Ashby De La Zouch and Church Langton
« Reply #8 on: Monday 05 January 15 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Given that Thomas Newberry is not on the 1841 census, he may not be John's son.

He is probably Thomas Swingler who is in Chuch Langton, five months old, living with Ann's parents, William and Francis Swingler. After Ann married he probably used his step-father's surname, which is often the case.

This would account for his birth place on the 1851 census, which doesn't tie in with the births of Amelia and Sarah.

David