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1901 Census for Violet May Curran and Gladys Mary Curran
« on: Sunday 21 December 14 22:57 GMT (UK) »
  I have tried to find these two sisters in Family Search who were born 1896 and 1895.   According to Free BMD their parents were William Curran and Jane Howells of Swansea.    However Family Search only has Violet living in Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan and Gladys at Swansea St.Mary in the 1901 census - both described as daughter of the head of household.
 Could someone please check the 1901 census to see if this was the same household?

  Gladys Curran married William Davies in 1915 and their daughter Lillian - later Lilian - eventually married Prince Bertil of Sweden.   See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294551/Princess-Lilian-Sweden-Welsh-born-beauty-married-Swedish-royal-family-buried-state-funeral.html

   Violet Curran married Edward Evans and their daughter Bernice married Oliver Carlill who was a distant cousin of mine.    I'm trying to verify this for someone who only began his family research three days ago.    Many thanks,  Malcolm
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: 1901 Census for Violet May Curran and Gladys Mary Curran
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 December 14 23:13 GMT (UK) »
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According to Free BMD their parents were William Curran and Jane Howells of Swansea.


How did you get that from Freebmd, it doesn't give parent's names does it?

1901
54, Rhys Street, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire

Sydney   Curran   Head   Married   Male   25       Iron Moulder   Swansea, Glamorgan, 
Elizabeth Ann   Curran   Wife   Married   Female   23               Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, 
Violet May   Curran   Daughter   Single   Female   4              Swansea, Glamorgan
Doris Mary   Curran   Daughter   Single   Female   2       Swansea, Glamorgan
Sydney John   Curran   Son   Single   Male   0               Swansea, Glamorgan
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Re: 1901 Census for Violet May Curran and Gladys Mary Curran
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 December 14 23:16 GMT (UK) »
1901  53, Garden Street, Swansea

William   Curran   Head   Married       35       Block & Spar Maker   Swansea, Glamorgan
Jane   Curran   Wife   Married       33                                St Clears, Carmarthenshire
Gladys   Curran   Daughter       6                    Swansea, Glamorgan
William   Curran   Son   -       2                                          Swansea, Glamorgan
Edward   Curran   Son   -       0                                    Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
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Re: 1901 Census for Violet May Curran and Gladys Mary Curran
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 December 14 23:50 GMT (UK) »
  Thank you Groom, so these two were different families.   And of course you are right - Free BMD only gives mother's maiden name a bit later on.    I'll have to go back over notes and emails from Ceri as he came up with Howells and Curran as his grandparents and they were the surnames of Lilian Davies' grandparents.    Also Ceri remembers a reporter visiting his grandmother when Lilian finally married her Prince.    One thing I have discovered is that Swansea registry office got the name of his mother wrong and entered it as Bernard instead of Bernice.   Will have to advise him now to obtain his parents marriage certificate.   Thanks again for your help, Malcolm
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: 1901 Census for Violet May Curran and Gladys Mary Curran
« Reply #4 on: Monday 22 December 14 00:24 GMT (UK) »
If you look back at the 1881 and 1891 censuses there is a possibility that Sydney and William were brothers, the sons of Robert and Mary A Curran. In 1881 William was a Railway Block Making Contractor, which is similar to his later occupation. In 1891 Sydney was a Moulder's apprentice.That would make Violet and Gladys cousins rather than sisters.

1881  RG11 Piece number   5356 Folio   89 Page   13
Living at 55, Wellington Street, Swansea

1891 RG12 Piece number   4483 Folio   97 Page   19
Living at Vernon House, St Helens Avenue, Swansea
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Re: 1901 Census for Violet May Curran and Gladys Mary Curran
« Reply #5 on: Monday 22 December 14 00:53 GMT (UK) »
  Thanks again, Groom.    I had a look for Jane's birth on FreeBMD as Jane Howells in Carmarthen and that seems to be correct with a registration in June 1878 in the district of Narberth which is just down the road from St Clears.   
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: 1901 Census for Violet May Curran and Gladys Mary Curran
« Reply #6 on: Monday 22 December 14 03:02 GMT (UK) »
If you look back at the 1881 and 1891 censuses there is a possibility that Sydney and William were brothers, the sons of Robert and Mary A Curran.

  Well it is now looking more and more likely that they were brothers.   The 1901 census you found for Sidney gives his age as 25 which puts his birth around 1876.
  I can only find this entry which adds another element - an unusual middle name:
Births Jun 1876
CURRAN  Sidney Wickens    Swansea  11a 745

    Now look at this WWI Memorial in the War Graves pages:
William Wickens Curran
Rank:  Private
Service No: 69200
Date of Death: 09/08/1918
Age: 19
Regiment/Service: Royal Welsh Fusiliers  1st Bn.
Grave Reference: Plot 2. Row A. Grave 12.
Cemetery: GRANEZZA BRITISH CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of William John and Jane Curran, of 3, Garden Street, Swansea, South Wales.

    So here we have the name 'Wickens' attached to Sidney and to the son of William and Jane.

    Wouldn't have got there without your help, Groom.   Cheers Malcolm
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: 1901 Census for Violet May Curran and Gladys Mary Curran
« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 December 14 20:55 GMT (UK) »

1901
54, Rhys Street, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire

Sydney   Curran   Head   Married   Male   25       Iron Moulder   Swansea, Glamorgan, 
Elizabeth Ann   Curran   Wife   Married   Female   23               Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, 
Violet May   Curran   Daughter   Single   Female   4              Swansea, Glamorgan
Doris Mary   Curran   Daughter   Single   Female   2       Swansea, Glamorgan
Sydney John   Curran   Son   Single   Male   0               Swansea, Glamorgan

   Can I please ask another favour?   Family Search tells me that there was a Maurice Curran age 26 born Ireland living in Ystradyfodwg in 1901 as a boarder.    If not in the same household as Sydney and his family, then where?    I would like to see how close they were.

   I've found that there was a Maurice Curran born in Castletown, near Killmallock, in Limerick in August 1875 parents Michael Curran and Catherine Gaven.   That would make him 25 not 26 in March 1901, but it is close.

   Michael and Kate had another son William Curran born April 1865 in Castletown, a date which is very close that of William John Curran shown as age 35 born Swansea in the 1901 census.   Has to be a coincidence since William John's father was Robert.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: 1901 Census for Violet May Curran and Gladys Mary Curran
« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 December 14 22:03 GMT (UK) »
1901 RG13 Piece  5017 Folio   52 Page   6
29, Marian Street, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd

Dennis   Green Head   Married   Male   55       General Labourer Above Ground   Ireland   
Jane   Green   Wife   Married   Female   48                                                      Ireland   
Patrick   Mahoney   Boarder   Single   Male   27    General Labourer Above Ground   Ireland   
Edward   O'Brien   Boarder   Single   Male   30    General Labourer Above Ground   Ireland   
Maurice   Curran   Boarder   Single   Male   26    General Labourer Above Ground   Ireland   
Daniel   Donoghue   Boarder   Single   Male   24    General Labourer Above Ground   Ireland
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