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Re: Help finding baptism of Mary Bots born 1799 Lancaster
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 30 December 14 12:11 GMT (UK) »
The 1851 census is fairly specific: the place of birth is stated as "Lancash. Lancaster"
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Re: Help finding baptism of Mary Bots born 1799 Lancaster
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 30 December 14 16:35 GMT (UK) »
I took it to actually be Lancaster, the Warrington Mary is still possible if she wasn't baptised where she was born but still not enough to be sure
Boliver - Selattyn/St. Martins
Hinton - Whitchurch/Ightfield
Parry - Hanmer/Bronington
Clarke - Barnsley/Lancaster
Clegg - Rochdale/Lancaster
Owens - Llansannan
Lee - Malpas
Chaloner - Holt/Chester
Airey - Westmorland
Sadler - Shropshire
Gee - Holt
Benbow - Shropshire

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Re: Help finding baptism of Mary Bots born 1799 Lancaster
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 30 December 14 18:09 GMT (UK) »
There's something wrong here. John Sadler, farmer at Plasynycoed farm at Overton, died in 1848 (3rd April). You can view his Will on the NLW site - it mentions wife Mary, son John, daughter Jane who married John Jones, daughter Martha who married John Jones,  daughter Mary Ann, and a son Robert.

So that can't be the same family in Whitchurch in 1851.

http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en
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Re: Help finding baptism of Mary Bots born 1799 Lancaster
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 30 December 14 19:52 GMT (UK) »
Marriage of Martha Sadler and John Jones, 17 April 1843 at Wrexham Parish Church. She is the daughter of John Sadler, farmer. Her residence Acton. His residence Overton. He is a carrier, father John Jones, carrier.

She is of full age so must have been born before 17 April 1822. Casts doubt on that 1824 Chester marriage as being the right one for this Sadler family, and thus on Mary Bots being the mother.
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Re: Help finding baptism of Mary Bots born 1799 Lancaster
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 30 December 14 23:20 GMT (UK) »
.....but ..there is this baptism for Martha Botts, daughter of Mary,  in Cockshutt (near Ellesmere) in 1823 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGJQ-YVH
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Re: Help finding baptism of Mary Bots born 1799 Lancaster
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 31 December 14 06:36 GMT (UK) »
Remarriage?

St Mary's Chester, 5th July 1851:

Mary Sadler, widow, father William Bott, farmer, and
John Steen, widower, farmer, father John Steen, farmer.

Address for both: Castle Street

Witnesses Harriet Nield and John ?
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Re: Help finding baptism of Mary Bots born 1799 Lancaster
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 31 December 14 06:59 GMT (UK) »
Possible baptism:

Welshampton, Shropshire, 6 April 1800: Mary Botts, daughter of William and Martha

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM8G-YZN

1851 census, household of Joseph Lee at Red Brook, Iscoyd:

Mary Sadler, widow, 49, servant born Welshampton, Salop.

1861 census, at Overton

Mary Steen, 61, Head, Fund Holder, Welshampton   
Elizabeth Taylor, 18, Daur, mar, Ag Lab's wife, Overton, Flintshire   
Mary Eliza Taylor, 1 month, Granddaughter,   Overton, Flintshire   
Joseph Massey 33 Lodger, Ag Lab, Winston, Cheshire   


Regarding daughter Elizabeth:

Elizabeth Sadler born Overton circa 1843 appears on the 1851 census in Ellesmere with sister Mary Ann and brother-in-law Isaac Williams.
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Re: Help finding baptism of Mary Bots born 1799 Lancaster
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 31 December 14 07:29 GMT (UK) »
More register entries at Welshampton:


Marriage September 23rd 1798: William Botts and Martha Barnett both otp

Burial July 10th 1802: Martha wife of Wm Botts
Burial December 5th 1802: Anne daughter of Willm and Martha Botts
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Re: Help finding baptism of Mary Bots born 1799 Lancaster
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 31 December 14 11:20 GMT (UK) »
thank you for all the info, off out now to visit a churchyard for hints :) but will sit and look through all of the above later

Linda
Boliver - Selattyn/St. Martins
Hinton - Whitchurch/Ightfield
Parry - Hanmer/Bronington
Clarke - Barnsley/Lancaster
Clegg - Rochdale/Lancaster
Owens - Llansannan
Lee - Malpas
Chaloner - Holt/Chester
Airey - Westmorland
Sadler - Shropshire
Gee - Holt
Benbow - Shropshire