Haines family lived in Ballarat from c1865 to the present day looking for burial

[cando]

There are many further generations living in the Ballarat area,

Only two HAINES listings for the Ballarat Greater area
http://www.whitepages.com.au/?entryType=R#

Cando

[cando]

This appears to be a brother of George HAINES who died in 1908.

Death
HAINES Henry
Father George Mother Fanny HURST
At Ballarat Hospital 64 years 1887  Reg#8984

Buried at Ballarat Cemetery
HAINES Henry     28/07/1887   Wesleyan C  Section a Grave#19

Harry (Henry) Haines (?)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
?
Portsea, Isle of Wight, Hants (1859 - ?)
m 1883 Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Mary Ann McKee/McKey/McQuie (?)
(? - ?)
(dau of ?

HAINES Harry  Born London   [According to the 1861 Census he was born c1859 Ryde, IOW]
McKEY Mary Ann  No POB detailed on the marriage index.
1883  Reg#2933

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Births Mar 1859   
HAINES Harry  I Wight    2b/499

Births
HAINES Rebecca Ellen
Father Henry  Mother Mary Ann McKEE
At Ararat  1883  Reg#13670   Died at Ballarat 1875  17 months  Reg#133

Birth
HAINES Lucy May
Father Harry  Mother Mary Ann McKEY
At Ballarat  1885  Reg#7653

Marriage in NZ
1909/6730   
HAINES Lucy May   
MASON   Charles Stuart
Death NZ
1961/27040 MASON Lucy May  75 years

Births to limit of index
1909/19181   MASON George Stewart  Mother Lucy May   Father Charles      
1911/20950   MASONCharles Pierce    Mother Lucy May   Father Charles Stewart      
1913/4330   MASON   Leonie Mary    Mother Lucy May   Father Charles Stewart

Birth
HAINES Harry George
Father Harry  Mother Mary Ann McKEY
At Ballarat  1887  Reg#16744

Death in New South Wales
15479/1935     
HAINES Harry G
Father George Mother Rebecca 
District Ryde

Australian Electoral Roll
1930, 1933
HAINES Harry  151 Wilson Street, Redfern  Labourer   

Cando

[Malcolm33]

   This is a famous surname.    Commander Stafford Bettesworth Haines took Aden by force in 1839 after the Sultan of Lahedj reneged on a signed deal for the British to lease Aden as a coaling station.     Since he married in Alton Hants in 1831 (buried in Bombay in 1860) there may be a connection to your family.    "Sultans of Aden" by Gordon Waterfield tells his story and what happened in Aden.

[cando]

I think I'll call a halt to this research until Jane responds to the information. She has been logged in again today.   Possibly there is no new information however I did find the second and third marriages for Ellen born Portsmouth and her death.  Can't see the point of typing up research if there is no response at all and I have more.

Cando

[sft456]

Thank you all very much for your help; I will need to catch up with the information, there is a lot here

Regards

Jane

[sft456]

   This is a famous surname.    Commander Stafford Bettesworth Haines took Aden by force in 1839 after the Sultan of Lahedj reneged on a signed deal for the British to lease Aden as a coaling station.     Since he married in Alton Hants in 1831 (buried in Bombay in 1860) there may be a connection to your family.    "Sultans of Aden" by Gordon Waterfield tells his story and what happened in Aden.

Thanks for this, but I know of no connection with our family, though the Haines' do have a connection in Bombay through Mr Robert Haines, a surgeon there in the 1860s

Jane

[sft456]

he m (2) ? 1887 in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Susannah Carman (?)
(? - ?)
(dau of ?
(children ?)

Marriage
HAINES George Born Sussex
CARMAN Susannah  Born London
1887  Reg#1578

Death
HAINES  Susannah
Father William HEWSTONE  Mother Sarah STUDD
At Bunningyong  79 years  1909  Reg#698

On the 1851 living with a widowed father William, 50 years, toy maker, is a Susan HEWSTONE 22 years born St Lukes, Middlesex.

Marriage in Victoria
CARMAN Simon
HEWSTONE Susannah
1857  Reg#1382

HAINES Susannah  80 years
Death 4 Jan 1909 [Possibly date of burial]
Source Buninyong cemetery headstones and registers 23/2/1845 - 30/9/1981.
Author/compiler Genealogical Society of Victoria, Ballarat Group.
Comment  Ref type: b [burial from register?]

Cando

Cando
[/quote]

Thank you for this information.

Following on from this, I have managed to find almost everything about Susannah, parents, g parents, dob, dod m details to Simon Carman, her siblings, her children - 10 of them etc etc - there is possibly even a picture of her on Ancestry, if I had access. But no details of her m to George HAINES except 1887 Ballarat

How can I obtain a dd/mm//yyyy date for their marriage, location etc? If it is possible to buy a certificate what details will it show? I notice also that many of the dates are just years. We appear to have much more information in England. Is it possible to obtain more details?

Jane

[judb]

Hi Jane

the information you have been given is just what is on the index.  Australian BMD certificates are very informative and those from Victoria particularly good.

This link gives a guide to the information that is asked for when registering a B M or D in Victoria.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

Of course it depends on the knowledge/truthfulness of the informant/s as to the accuracy of what is recorded. Usually marriage certificates have the best information as it is supplied by the couple themselves.  Death certificates can be a bit hit and miss as the informant may not know information re the early life of the deceased, however they are very much more informative than English ones where there is no requirement to show any family relationships.  My 9 GBP has often seemed a waste of money!!

Historical images of Victorian registrations can be downloaded for $AU20.  As it is an actual image it can be very useful in comparing signatures etc. 

You need the reg no which has been supplied in the information above.
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/family+history+certificates/

FAQs here
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/family+history+faqs/

Judith

[judb]

Transcription of marriage certificate:
April 16, 1887 at St James Church Geelong, by licence
Simon CARMAN, widower, born Diss, Norfolk, farmer, 36,
usual and current place of residence: Lethbridge, parents: John CARMAN, farmer, Elizabeth HUNT

Susannah HEWSTONE, spinster, born London,
usual and current place of residence: Lethbridge, parents William HEWSTONE, toymaker, Sarah HUDD (see below)

Simon signs with a cross, Susannah signs her name
Witnesses: William HARKNESS, Elizabeth HARKNESS (signs with a cross)
Minister: John L LOW

Edit to add:  her mother's name appears to be HUDD on the image but may be STUDD as recorded on the BMD index.  However, if you have her background now, you will know which is correct!

Judith