Germany - Adam and Anton Barthelmeh family research

[pergamond]

Hi, I've just started researching the Barthelmeh family. They were bakers, and I have quite a lot of data from London mainly from census records.

Adam Barthelmeh was born in 1863 in Argenschwang, near Bad Kreuznach in Germany. He married Frances Kuhn in 1884 in England. I don't know when he left Germany.

I am trying to find out about his father Anton, and further back.

If anyone could help I'd be most grateful.

[garstonite]

Hi, I've just started researching the Barthelmeh family. They were bakers, and I have quite a lot of data from London mainly from census records.

Adam Barthelmeh was born in 1863 in Argenschwang, near Bad Kreuznach in Germany. He married Frances Kuhn in 1884 in England. I don't know when he left Germany.

I am trying to find out about his father Anton, and further back.

If anyone could help I'd be most grateful.

not much help- but there is a Katharina Barthelmeh b 1819 in Argenschwang on this site
http://en.geneanet.org/search/?name=barthelmeh&ressource=arbre
http://gw.geneanet.org/ukayser?lang=en&v=BARTHELMEH&m=N
all that tells you is that there was family there 45 years before Adam was born

[pergamond]

Thank you garstonite - you never know when info might turn out to be extremely useful!

It's good to have any leads at all at this stage.

[Family Whispers]

Hello,

It was about 1879 when Adam came to England from Germany.

On the marriage certificate for Adam Barthelmeh and Frances, Adams father is listed as Antony a Bootmaker and Frances father is Frederick a baker.

Story is that Adam was an apprentice to Frederick, Adam then married the boss’s daughter, Frances. They then went on to inherit the baker shop, Francis died in 1910. Just before this bankruptcy proceedings were made against Adam.

How are you related to Adam?

FW

[pergamond]

How wonderful to hear from someone about the family!
My sister's partner is a Barthelmeh, and I was researching for him. Adam Barthelmeh who married Frances is his gt-grandfather.

He was horrified to hear about the other Barthelmeh family in the census records, as there was some involvement with butcheries, and he thought they couldn't possibly be relatives. (he is a strict vegetarian.) Of course I suspect they were cousins or something.

What is your involvement with the family?

[Family Whispers]

Hi,

My grandmother's aunt married Edward Barthelmeh one of Adam & Frances's sons. She would tell me stories about the Barthelmeh's.

Edward was also a baker, he had a bakers shop in Brick Lane, Whitechapel,  London.

Edward went to Australia with his brother in law, his wife Emily and son Edward followed a few months later. Most of the family went to Australia or New Zealand.

I have got Adams bankruptcy file. Also I have done quite a lot of research into the Barthelmeh family, and yes I do think that all the Barthelmeh's are related.

I will send you a message with my e-mail.

FW

[pergamond]

Fantastic. Thanks.

[Berlin-Bob]

Might be a "red herring" but ... if you like dotting the t's and crossing the i's, then you might want to follow up this contact ...

... there was some involvement with butcheries, ...

On the RootsChat Database for Special Interests Groups (DBSIG) we have a section for "German Pork Butchers". I.e. Pork butchers who left Germany to settle in Britain.

And in this database there is also a BARTHELMEH family,
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?letter1=B&letter2=3&dbsig_num=2#top_data

On the downside, they came from Gütbach in Baden-Württemburg, which (these days) is a two and a half hour drive (on the motorways) so there may not be a connection.

If you look in the page view
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?dbsig_num=2&letter1=B&letter2=3&view=999#top_data
you will see a link to the contributor RicharFunk. Perhaps he can give you more information if you send him a PM.

Another possibility:
We don't have a database for Bakers here, but another Rootschatter, 'sugarbakers', has a
database for german sugar bakers who came to Britain.
http://www.mawer.clara.net/intro.html
No BARTHELMEH there, unfortunately, but if some of your bakers specialised in sugar baking, you may find some mentions there.

regards,
Bob

[Family Whispers]

Thank you Bob,

I do not think that there is a connection to our Barthelmeh's,  but it is always worth keeping in mind.

FW