searching for the family Crottey Whelen

[rinnan]

I have found Robert Whelan's father . He too was named David Whelan born 1815 in Dungarven. I can't get many results from other sources ( sites ) due to paid subscription. Which I can't afford. Maybe when I get more money

It looks like most Whelans were sea man. My father in law as well.

[aghadowey]

I'm having a bit of trouble following everything here. Your initial post mentioned "Grotty Whelan from ballingrane shannacarry cork" which I think might be the townlands of Ballingarrane and Shanagarry in Kilmahon civil parish.
By 1901 Hannah Crotty looks to be working away from home but there are Crotty families in Shanagarry and Ballinagrane which might be of interest.

Robert Whelan was a baker but now you've said his father David was a sea man from Dungarvan. Doe both of Robert's marriage certificate confirm his father's anme and occupation or do you have this from other sources?

[oldkingkole]

Yes...mistake.
Those were the marriages of  David's  Aunt's, i.e., Alice Johnson's sister's. Sorry on that one.

That was a slip...I've rechecked and  am confidant in the other information given. I have a database of all Johnson marriages and baptisms from Cobh available on RootsIreland.

David and 3 sisters listed to Patrick Johnson and Mary Reily.
Marriage of Patrick Johnson and Mary Reily in 1852, 10 records of children, some names repeated, so perhaps a child died and a new child given the name.

Padraig

[rinnan]

another dead end . Robert father was named David and Why  Robert was a baker is still confusing. But it is for sure the same Robert Whelan married to Alice Johnson.
His son David Joseph born 1885 married to Hannah Crottey was a sea man , as his sons were.
They did tell me that Roberts father was also a seaman named David, so I thought I had found him, but it isn't the same David.
 I have received a some papers about Robert and Alice from family in Ireland. I will try to attach the paper here, so you can see. It might be of some help.
 tried to upload a document, but didn't work. I will have to leave for today, but I will be back tomorrow ! Louisa

[rinnan]

I don't know that area very well but am struggling to find this place in Cork- closest I've come are townlands called Ballingarrane and Shanagarry in Kilmahon civil parish (Middleton P.L.U./registration district).

I did find this David Whelan in the 1901 census with Johnson grandparents who seems to be the right age-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Queenstown_Urban/Bishop_Street/1163019

Johnson family in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Queenstown_No__2_Urban/Bishop_Street/406620

Thank you, I had these leads as well. At least the national archives are still free. But I can't find everything there.

[rinnan]

I'm having a bit of trouble following everything here. Your initial post mentioned "Grotty Whelan from ballingrane shannacarry cork" which I think might be the townlands of Ballingarrane and Shanagarry in Kilmahon civil parish.
By 1901 Hannah Crotty looks to be working away from home but there are Crotty families in Shanagarry and Ballinagrane which might be of interest.

Robert Whelan was a baker but now you've said his father David was a sea man from Dungarvan. Doe both of Robert's marriage certificate confirm his father's anme and occupation or do you have this from other sources?

The David I quoted was wrong. I have found more and will post it at the end. Thank you , Louisa

[rinnan]

Here is the latest I have about  Whelan -Crotty.

the Oldest 
5)Whelan +- 1800 ( David ) had decided to emigrate to America , but his wife would not go. It is said that the marriage ended there. Leaving his wife (? Crotty ) with her 2 sons. This around 1830-1840

The 2 sons were
4) David Whelan born around 1830-1840 and
4) Maurise Whelan-Crotty ; The name comes from Maurice being raised by His mothers sister Mrs. Crotty

4)Maurice married PeggyWilliams they had 4 children John, Briget, Mary Ellen, and Elisabeth.[/b]

4)David Whelan , Maurise's brother had 2 children. Martha Whelan of Ballycotten ( wife of Jim Cotter )and
3)Robert Whelan who then married Alice Johnson

3 children were born to Robert and Alice ,
 2)David ,May and Kathy.



 2)[i]David Whelan [/i] 1885 married to Hannah Crotty 1882 had 4 children ,
 1)Alice 1909 [/b].[/i] 1)David 1920 1)Joe 1933 ( adopted ) and 1)Maisy 1912

2)Hannah Crotty parents their names were
3)  Denis Grotty and Mary Gairey.
Hannah had 2 brothers and 3 sisters. John, Jim, Julia, Helen and Minnie.
As for where they are all  from the county Cork. To my knowledge. As for the older generations, this must still be verified. Which I do hope to do.
All this information has been send from the UK.
If this is any use for anyone, or if you can fill in the gaps, then I would appreciate it very much.
Sorry I didn't get back before now , but I have been very busy
did I already wish you all a Happy New Year? well Happy New year to all,

Louisa




 

[aghadowey]

2)Hannah Crotty parents their names were
3)  Denis Grotty and Mary Gairey.
Hannah had 2 brothers and 3 sisters. John, Jim, Julia, Helen and Minnie.

Denis Crotty (c1831? or c1837?) m.(c1872) Mary (c1856? or c1850?)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Ballycotton/Ballingarrane/1132959
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Ballycottin/Ballingarrane/433311
     married 39 years, 7 children/5 living, daughter married Cahill?
1. John (c1874)
2. Ellen (c1885) Helen
3. Julia (c1887)
4. James (c1891)
? Hannah (1880)- mother Geary
     https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGPQ-MFC
? Daniel (1878)- mother Geary
     https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGDT-J19

[oldkingkole]

David and 3 sisters listed to Patrick Johnson and Mary Reily.
Marriage of Patrick Johnson and Mary Reily in 1852, 10 records of children, some names repeated, so

Can't seem to post correctly at the moment !!! In my last post this section should read

"David and 3 sisters to Robert Whelan and Alice Johnson"

These are
Oct 1877   Mary J (Josephine)   Spon: Fredrick Kinealy, Penelope Barry.
May 1879   Alice Mary               Spon: Bartholemew Vaughan, Mary Ellen Johnson,
Mar 1882    Catherine                Spon: Patrick O Connor, Ellen Moynahan.
and of course
Mar 1885    David Joseph          Spon: Edward Kennedy, Catherine Kennedy.

May could be either Mary J or Alice Mary.
Presuming one of them died young as they are to unknown to you?
Couldn't find a death for an Alice Whelan at a young age in Cork but a Mary Whelan died in Jan-Mar 1878 aged 0, so that's one chance.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTM2-92Q

Mary Ellen Johnson, seems to be one of Alice's sisters.
B June 1855, Cobh, Spon: Dominic Rohan, Ellen Butten.

Hope this time I've checked carefully....Padraig