Cumming's in Camghouran Loch Rannoch

[ClanCumming]

Hi fellow searchers.  I am looking for any information on the Cumming family from Loch Rannoch-Camghouran.  James Cumming (my GG Grandfather) emigrated to Canada in about 1840 or so.  The info we have says there is a possibility that his father was Alexander Cumming and his Mother was Flora Cameron.  James worked withh the Gilmour Lumber Company in Canada.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks so much...

[fifer1947]

Which part of Camghouran, Mid, West or East? 

Do you have an approximate age/dob or age at death for James Cumming?  Was he married when he emigrated, if so had he children?

Very difficult to find specific Camerons in "Cameron country" without more clues.

[ClanCumming]

Hi Fifer1947,  Thanks so much for your reply.  James Cumming was about 30 when he emigrated to Canada and was not married and had no children at that time.   He settled in Trenton, Ontario, Canada and married MaryAnn Wilkins Wragg-they had 4 children. Robert Duncan Thomas, James, Flora & Lavinia.  Not much help I afraid.  Thanks....M

[Throth]

The most likely candidate for your ancestor James Cumming was living at Wester Carie in the 1841 census.  scotlandspeople - 1841 CUMMING, JAMES (Census 376/ 12/ 1) , so that's Logierait parish which had detached sections.

John Cumming, 67, farmer
Susanna Cumming, 74
Margaret Cumming, 35
James Cumming, 26 (not 24 as in the index - some transcribers can't read)
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Susanna Robertson (as separated, she may be a domestic servant and not part of the family)
All were born in Perthshire.

There is no James Cumming of the correct age in the 1851 census, the only one that is close is the Kilmadock entry, and he is the son of Magnus Cumming.

Throth

[Kmaleski]

Hi,

James was the son of Duncan Cumming and Flora Cameron.  Both were residing in Camghouran for their marriage Mar 29, 1807.

Their children's births are not recorded or available in the parish records which is not uncommon for records between 1800 and 1855.

Duncan Cumming had a natural daughter named Sybella born Jan 28, 1801 at Camghouran with a Margaret Cameron - natural meaning out-of-wedlock/illegitimate.

I have not identified Duncan's parents but suspect he was son to Alexander Cumming and Isabel Cumming who were residing in nearby Carie. They had a daughter Sybella (not a common name).

He likely had a brother named James who had a natural daughter Margaret born July 7, 1795 at Camghouran with Christian Cameron. Margaret married Archibald Cameron in 1815. they resided at Camghouran in the 1841/1851/1861 census.  She died at Carie Feb 17, 1871.

I have indexed all of the Cummings in the area and assembled some of the trees. Some are here: https://www.mckercher.org/, the rest (like yours) I have yet to enter as they need more research.

John Cumming and Susan Robertson residing at Carie in the 1841 census was the son of Alexander Cumming and Catherine McDonald I believe.  His son James born 1812 resided at Camghouran in 1841/1851 census.  James married a Charlotte McKercher.   John's sibling Duncan who married Susan Menzies immigrated to Roxborough, Stormont, Ontario (large tree).

[Kmaleski]

The Cumming families of Rannoch resided in 3 areas:

1 North Shore of Loch Rannoch - Aulich, Craiganour, Torr-a-Chruidh, Lann Breac, Annet and later Killichonan.

2 South Shore of Loch Rannoch - Camghouran and Carie.

3 North of the Tummel - Druimchastle, Blackpark and Bohespic (including Reincluich).

Early records show that some of the Northshore families were originally from Druimchastle. Throth may have better knowledge of the family and the Bohespic area.

An Allan Cumming from a Torr-a-Chruidh family immigrated to Guysborough, Nova Scotia if anyone was wondering where those Cummings came from.

[Throth]

We were not aware that anyone had started the awesome task of trying to sort out the Cumming families, and you are way ahead of us!  The only reason for wandering away from Blair Atholl parish was that some Drumcastle and Drumachuine events were recorded in the Blair Atholl OPR, and then we got 'hooked'.

It is such a pity that the Minister and his Clerk only visited the detached section of the Logierait parish from time to time. Some are in the Fortingall OPR, but a lot never seem to have been recorded.

How many Cumming families, do you think, were living at Aulich?  We can't see any of them using the traditional naming patterns, which does not make it easier.

Throth

[Kmaleski]

The Cumming's at Aulich/Craiganour:

Donald Cumming and Janet Campbell m Dec 21, 1771 - both residing there. No children.

Duncan Cumming and Sarah Robertson m Dec 15, 1758 - he in Aulich and she from Kinloch/Bridgend - 5 children initially born at Craiganour and then Logierait (not sure if Carie or Druimchastle). Daughter Elizabeth died at Killichonan in 1857.

John Cumming and Elizabeth McGregor m Feb 25, 1744 - residing at Druimchastle.    I believe his son Allan married Christian McFarlane of Aulich Feb 15, 1784 and their later children born at Craiganour.  Son John married Mary Cameron Aug 20, 1824 and they are residing at Killichonan in the 1841 census.

John Cumming and Ann Cumming m Mar 2, 1782 - he in Aulich and she from Dall (near Carie). 7 children. John and 3 of his children are residing at Killichonan in the 1841 census.

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I have all of the Fortingall records sorted into Glenlyon, Rannoch and Bolfracks areas, so I can see who was where.  The challenge is the overlap with the detached portions of Logierait.  Some of the Fortingall records include Logierait births/marriages for Carie/Druimchastle, and some details appear in the Blair Atholl records on your site. It would be exhaustive/expensive to try to go through Logierait records to identify as most Logierait records are for areas far to the east.

There are definitely records missing for Carie/Druimchastle - more so than the usual gaps in Fortingall.  There is a George Cumming b 1758 to John Cumming and Catherine Mc? at Carie.  He is likely related to the Camghouran family of this thread. No siblings recorded.

The big Blair Atholl Cumming tree is that of Donald Cumming and Janet Stewart (McCombich) m Dec 31, 1779.  He was residing at Reincluich or Ruidh Fliuch just NW of Over Bohespic (ruins), she was of the McCombich stewarts of Lawers, Kenmore - she was residing at Cloichrane on the south shore of Loch Tay. His son John married Isabel Irons of Meigle March 1, 1807. They were residing in Auchleeks? in the 1841/1851 census. Daughter Christian married John McEwen of Kenmore - she died at Acharn in 1861.  Daughter Margaret married Duncan Crerar of Cloanlawers - she died Acharn in 1883.

[Throth]

Thanks for your useful information.
In exchange here is one for you .................

The parents of Alexander Cumming in Torr a'Chruie who married Margaret/ Mary/May McGrigor in 1783 were John Cumming and Mary McGrigor

Fortingall OPR 9/7/1758: Alexander, son to John Cumming and Mary McGrigor in Torrchruie was baptised

Siblings: Christian, 13 Apr 1752; Margaret, 24 May 1752 (sic) and Elspet 8 Jul 1756
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The big Blair Atholl Cumming tree is that of Donald Cumming and Janet Stewart (McCombich) m Dec 31, 1779. 

The Blair Atholl Kirk Session minutes for 13th December 1778 show that Donald Cumming in Rientluick (Rientsluie of Trinafour) voluntarily appeared, owned guilt with Janet Stewart in Achtarsin in the parish of Fortingall, paid his own fine of 8s 4d Sterling and was ordered to begin his public appearances at Blair, the next Sabbath. On 20th December 1778 Donald Cumming in Rientluick appeared before the Congregation, was publicly rebuked and ordered to appear the following Sunday at Blair. Finally on 21st March 1779 Donald Cumming in Rientluick paid his party's fine of 8s 4d Sterling which was instantly distributed to the poor.

Donald Cumming in (Rientsluie of) Trinafour and Janet Stewart, lately in Trinafour now in Achtarsin of Fortingall parish, had their illegitimate son baptised 2nd December 1778, named Lauchlen.

31st December 1779, Kenmore OPR
Donald Cumming in Riensluick (Rientsluie of Trinafour) and Janet Stewart in Cloichran(?), Kenmore parish, married.

It is assumed that this was the same Janet Stewart, but being employed at a different farm.