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Offline craven481

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Cumberland Placename
« on: Wednesday 14 January 15 15:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I'm wondering if anyone can decipher the town name on the 1851 census [damaged] for James Graham age 59, joiner, of 2 Croft Street, Manchester - London Road, St Andrews District.  The location might help me to find his baptism.  I can read the Kirk part but not the ending!
Attached is a clip from that census.
Ken
Craven, tarporley cheshire; hulme manchester.
Meredith, manchester.
Scanlon, sligo ireland.
Barwick, grove & reading berks; wolverhampton staffs, manchester.
Simpson, pately bridge appletreewick & halifax yorks; manchester.
Dixon, storriths bolton abbey addingham & embsay yorks; manchester

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Re: Cumberland Placename
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 January 15 15:32 GMT (UK) »
The only places I could find were Kirklinton, Kirkoswald and Kirkbride and it doesn't look like any of these
Crawford
Taylor
Hurstwaite
Hayles
Dunlop
Neil - Cork, Ireland

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Re: Cumberland Placename
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 January 15 15:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
It must be St Lawrence, Kirkland.
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Re: Cumberland Placename
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 January 15 15:37 GMT (UK) »
My thoughts were Kirkland ( near Penrith) or an abbreviation of Kirkoswald.

Jen :)
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ESS: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
STS: White
SRY: Knight
DUR: Smith Littlefair
HAM: Williams Grose Lush Venson


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Re: Cumberland Placename
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 14 January 15 16:00 GMT (UK) »
Is he around in later censuses?
Crawford
Taylor
Hurstwaite
Hayles
Dunlop
Neil - Cork, Ireland

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Re: Cumberland Placename
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 January 15 16:01 GMT (UK) »
I read it as kirkusel, I can see his Lancastrian wife pronouncing kirkoswald a bit like that.

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Re: Cumberland Placename
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 January 15 16:03 GMT (UK) »
Could be abbreviated to something like  Kirk on Solway  ???

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Re: Cumberland Placename
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 January 15 16:05 GMT (UK) »
I read it as kirkusel, I can see his Lancastrian wife pronouncing kirkoswald a bit like that.

Mike

I wondered about that but with his own pronunciation in mind, rather than his wife's. I checked on a dialect site and it is as I thought - Kirkoswald locally is K'kOswald with emphasis on the second syllable. But a Lancashire version.....maybe!
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ESS: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
STS: White
SRY: Knight
DUR: Smith Littlefair
HAM: Williams Grose Lush Venson

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Re: Cumberland Placename
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 January 15 16:12 GMT (UK) »
Even if the OP knew exactly where he was born there are still a lot of possibllities.

Mike