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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 15 January 15 16:07 GMT (UK) »
1851
Ho107/1914 67 24 crellow in stythians
Staffs:BARNETT,SAUNDERS/SANDERS,HICKMAN,GREGORY,WISE,GEORGE,ASTON, DAVENPORT/DEVONPORT
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Worcs:STOKES,HUGHES,FARMER,MULLET,TAYLOR,SOUTHALL
Ssx:BODLE,BUTLER,HOOD,DENNIS
Leics:DUDLEY,HUDSON,JEFFO,SHRIGLEY
Essex:PATIENT/PATIENCE,CASS,HOY,WATTS
Derby:PEARSON

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 15 January 15 16:26 GMT (UK) »
You appear to be following two different William's. You start off saying he was born in Helston in 1846 which would be this birth


Births Mar 1846   
PENALUNA  William     Helston  9 150   

but then you give the 1851 census reference that relates to this birth

Births Jun 1849 
PENELUNA  William James     Redruth  9 268
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 15 January 15 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for spotting this. Maybe I have the wrong census info. Do you have the correct info please?
My William is father of urias PENALUNA bap 9/2/1882 carnmenellis which is very close to stithians where I believe my William was born. I am not sure about his birth year
Staffs:BARNETT,SAUNDERS/SANDERS,HICKMAN,GREGORY,WISE,GEORGE,ASTON, DAVENPORT/DEVONPORT
Bucks:PRATT,NUTT,STANNET,WELLS,MITCHELL,SEARES
Kent:GATES,BEACH/BEECH,HAMILTON,SCAMP,JOY,PEARSON,TURNER, KING,WILKINSON,HARRIS,JEWHURST,AVERY,FEATHERSTONE,REEVE,WILLARD, REYNOLDS,KEMSLEY/KIMSLEY,WILES,LEE,EPPS,FOX
Worcs:STOKES,HUGHES,FARMER,MULLET,TAYLOR,SOUTHALL
Ssx:BODLE,BUTLER,HOOD,DENNIS
Leics:DUDLEY,HUDSON,JEFFO,SHRIGLEY
Essex:PATIENT/PATIENCE,CASS,HOY,WATTS
Derby:PEARSON

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 15 January 15 20:35 GMT (UK) »
In 1891 census he was 42
In 1881 was 31
& 1871 was 21
1861 was 11
Staffs:BARNETT,SAUNDERS/SANDERS,HICKMAN,GREGORY,WISE,GEORGE,ASTON, DAVENPORT/DEVONPORT
Bucks:PRATT,NUTT,STANNET,WELLS,MITCHELL,SEARES
Kent:GATES,BEACH/BEECH,HAMILTON,SCAMP,JOY,PEARSON,TURNER, KING,WILKINSON,HARRIS,JEWHURST,AVERY,FEATHERSTONE,REEVE,WILLARD, REYNOLDS,KEMSLEY/KIMSLEY,WILES,LEE,EPPS,FOX
Worcs:STOKES,HUGHES,FARMER,MULLET,TAYLOR,SOUTHALL
Ssx:BODLE,BUTLER,HOOD,DENNIS
Leics:DUDLEY,HUDSON,JEFFO,SHRIGLEY
Essex:PATIENT/PATIENCE,CASS,HOY,WATTS
Derby:PEARSON


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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 15 January 15 20:43 GMT (UK) »
Sorry must be the Redruth 1849 birth
Staffs:BARNETT,SAUNDERS/SANDERS,HICKMAN,GREGORY,WISE,GEORGE,ASTON, DAVENPORT/DEVONPORT
Bucks:PRATT,NUTT,STANNET,WELLS,MITCHELL,SEARES
Kent:GATES,BEACH/BEECH,HAMILTON,SCAMP,JOY,PEARSON,TURNER, KING,WILKINSON,HARRIS,JEWHURST,AVERY,FEATHERSTONE,REEVE,WILLARD, REYNOLDS,KEMSLEY/KIMSLEY,WILES,LEE,EPPS,FOX
Worcs:STOKES,HUGHES,FARMER,MULLET,TAYLOR,SOUTHALL
Ssx:BODLE,BUTLER,HOOD,DENNIS
Leics:DUDLEY,HUDSON,JEFFO,SHRIGLEY
Essex:PATIENT/PATIENCE,CASS,HOY,WATTS
Derby:PEARSON

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 15 January 15 23:09 GMT (UK) »
Working back from 1891 (NB you may have identified a different census record in 1881)

1891 census
Class: RG12/1848/87 p 13
William 42 (1849) Head born Illogan Wendron
Elizabeth 40 (1851) Wife born Illogan Wendron
Urias (Uriah)  9 (1882) son born Illogan Wendron
And other children

1881 census
Class: RG11/2322/7 p 8
William 35 (1846) Head born Wendron
Elizabeth 30 (1851) Wife born  Wendron
And  children

1871 census
Class: RG10/2301/28 p13
William 21 (1850) boarder born Wendron
Boarding with the Treloar family his future inlaws and Elizabeth their daughter, his future wife

Edit: See reply 17. It is now clear the 1891, 1881 and 1871 family above is different from the 1861, 1851 and 1841 family below

1861 census
Class: RG 9/1581/115 p 11
John Penaluna 56
An Penaluna 50
John Penaluna 17
William Penaluna 11

John born Sithney, Ann born Helston, John jnr and willaim born Stithians

1851 Census
Class: HO107/1914/67 p 24
John Penaluna 40
Ann Penaluna 41
Mary Ann Penaluna 19
Jane Penaluna 12
Susan Penaluna 10
John Penaluna 7
William Penaluna 1

This is Mary Ann’s baptism so confirms John and Ann married before 1832

Mary Anne Peneluna bpt 7 Aug 1831 Sithney Cornwall
daughter of John and Anne Peneluna

The baptism of William

William James Penluna bp 23 Jul 1849 St. Stithians, Cornwall
son of John & Ann Penluna

(NB mother’s maiden name not given)

So this looks to be the wedding and the bride is Ann Wedlock and they marry in her home town

JOHN PENALUNA m 5 Apr 1831 Helston, Ann WEDLOCK

NB: Have not found the family in 1841
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 15 January 15 23:30 GMT (UK) »
1841 Census St Stithians Cornwall

HO107/139/3/64 p 9

John Venalerma  30
 Ann Venalerma  30
 Mary Venalerma  10
 Elizabeth Venalerma  2 *
 Susan Venalerma  3 Mo

Its a bad transcription of the name but if you look at the original you can make out Paneluna                      (Penaluna)

Living in the parish of St Stithians

* Don't know why Elizabeth becomes Jane 10 years later perhaps she is Elizabeth Jane ie
Births Dec 1838 
PENELUNA  Elizabeth Jane     Redruth  9 243   

A word of warning: all that I have found is based on your statement that your William is the son of John and Ann and that he married Elizabeth Treloar. Myself I would still like to see the marriage certificate of William and Elizabeth as I see several people have conflicting information on which Paneluna's are related to which

James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 15 January 15 23:44 GMT (UK) »
Wow thanks ever so much
I'm amazed you found all that so quickly
Best wishes
Paul
Staffs:BARNETT,SAUNDERS/SANDERS,HICKMAN,GREGORY,WISE,GEORGE,ASTON, DAVENPORT/DEVONPORT
Bucks:PRATT,NUTT,STANNET,WELLS,MITCHELL,SEARES
Kent:GATES,BEACH/BEECH,HAMILTON,SCAMP,JOY,PEARSON,TURNER, KING,WILKINSON,HARRIS,JEWHURST,AVERY,FEATHERSTONE,REEVE,WILLARD, REYNOLDS,KEMSLEY/KIMSLEY,WILES,LEE,EPPS,FOX
Worcs:STOKES,HUGHES,FARMER,MULLET,TAYLOR,SOUTHALL
Ssx:BODLE,BUTLER,HOOD,DENNIS
Leics:DUDLEY,HUDSON,JEFFO,SHRIGLEY
Essex:PATIENT/PATIENCE,CASS,HOY,WATTS
Derby:PEARSON

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 16 January 15 12:25 GMT (UK) »
And the story continues .......

As I mentioned in reply #15 “Myself I would still like to see the marriage certificate of William and Elizabeth” as something did not feel right and it seems it is not

So I started by looking for the 1871 census of John and Ann. Now John appears to die in 1870
Deaths Dec 1870   
Penaluna    John    62    Helston 5c   143


But there is the following 1871 census for Ann
RG10/2324/52 p 42

William Penaluna 21
Chendra Penaluna 21
John Penaluna 7 Months
Ann Penaluna 60

So it appears in 1871 that William is already married and is still living with his mother.
There is a marriage reference for the marriage that by the names William James confirms it as john and Ann’s son William (William’s birth place is correctly given as Stithians, and baby John’s as Camborne)

Marriages Jun 1870   
PENALUNA    William James         Redruth 5c   393
RABLING    Clara Ann         Redruth5c   393

Now Clara Ann dies in 1878
Deaths Jun 1878   
PENALUNA    Clarinda Ann    30    Redruth 5c   194
 
Now as a William Paneluna marries an Elizabeth Treloar in 1872
Marriages Mar 1872   
PENNALUNE    William         Helston 5c   303
TRELOAR    Elizabeth         Helston 5c   303


It would appear that this is a different William Paneluna to the one that is the son of John and Ann

William son of John and Ann appears on the 1881 census as follows
RG11/2334/95  p 20

William Penaluna 31
Elizabeth Penaluna 29
John Penaluna 11
William Penaluna 8
Ernest Penaluna
 Francis Penaluna 3

Again William’s birth place is given as Stithians

Again on the 1891 census
RG12/1850/103 p 6

William Penaluna 45
Eliza Penaluna 46
John Penaluna 19
William Penaluna 16
Francis Penaluna 13
Ernest Penaluna 10
Ada Penaluna 8
Arthur Penaluna 6
Charles Penaluna 3

NB I am not sure the Elizabeth in 1881 and the Eliza in 1891 are the same person

A possible marriage for the 1881 Elizabeth
Marriages Dec 1878   
CORNISH    Elizabeth Ann        Redruth 5c   374
PENALUNA    William         Redruth 5c   374

A possible death for the 1881 Elizabeth

Deaths Mar 1888   
PENALUNA    Elizabeth Ann    36    Redruth 5c   180


This is a possible marriage for the 1891 Eliza

Marriages Jun 1888   
Hicks    Eliza        Redruth 5c   367
Penaluna    William James         Redruth 5c   367


Conclusion
The William that marries Elizabeth Treloar is not the son of John and Ann so where did you get the information that your William was the son of John and Ann from ? Do you have any other proof for it ?

The Wiliam who was the son of John and Ann appears to have married at least three times none of them to Elizabeth Treloar and he was not the father of Urias (Uriah)

To find out who the parents of the William who is the father of Uriah, and who married Elizabeth Treloar is you will need to buy the marriage certificate. It is likely to be John and Elizabeth or Urias and Jane it is not John and Ann
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.