Yates family Shifnal

[judi2632]

I'm confused and can't sort out this query my head hurts.

I have what I Think is two families but cant sort out which and who belongs to who. Or is it just one family? given the Baptism's it could be, but Which Eleanor is the mother ??

There are two marriages in Shropshire for

George Yates to Eleanor.they are as follows

George Yates married Eleanor Hart  in Madeley Shropshire 9 July 1821
George Yates married Eleanor Fletcher Dawley Magna 22 April 1821
( no occupations are listed on the original records on find my past sadly.

I then looked for all children born to George and Eleanor in shropshire

the following is the full list of baptism's for Parents George and Eleanor

Ann Yates 4 Aug 1822 Madeley father Lab
Martha Yates 24 Apr 1824 Madeley father Lab
Jane Yates 4 June 1826 Madeley Father Lab
George Yates 8 June 1828 Madeley father Lab
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also
William Yates 12 Jan 1823 Dawley Green father Engineer
George Yates 30 Jan 1825 Lawley Wellington father Engineer
Benjamin Yates 10 May 1829 Hinkshay  father Engineer
Thomas Yates 10 May 1829 Hinksey father Engineer poss twin to Benjamin above
Edward Yates 18 Sept 1831 Dawley Green father Engineer ( Edward buried 22 Sept 1833)
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It Looks like one of the George Yates's remarried on 18 May 1834 to Sarah Wall in Dawley Magna, Shropshire, England  on the Pallots marriage record George is marked as a Widower.

I can't track a death of Eleanor Yates in Shropshire Buried 27 Sept 1831 Madeley Shropshire ( Thanks to Leka for that information)

the only family that comes close in the 1841 is the following All born in County
George Yates   40 ...... occupation Field Carpenter
Sarah Yates   30 ......nee Wall
Jane Yates           15
George Yates   13
William Yates   10
Thomas Yates   8
Joseph Yates   4
James Yates   2
Harriot Yates   1

living at Wenlock (Shrewsbury Liberties)
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1851 mis transcribed as Gates on this census  All Born Madeley Shropshire
George Gates   51  born 1800 Occupation Carpenter
Sarah Gates   42  born 1809                               
John Gates           16  born 1835 Occupation Blacksmith
Joseph Gates   14   born 1837 Occupation Lab
James Gates   12  born 1839
Harriett Gates   10 born 1841
Eliza Ann Gates   6 born 1845
Isaac Gates   3 born 1847
Rebecca Gates   3 born 1848
Elizabeth Gates   1 born 1850
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in 1861 S Y born 1809 madeley is a Felon in County Gaol and Shrewsbury House of Correction

1861
George Yates   61 Head, Married,  Carpenter
WIFE IN GOAL see above
Harriet Yates   21  Dau unmarried Housekeeper
Isaac Yates   13 son Coal Miner
Elizabeth Yates   11 Dau Scholar
Francis Yates   9 Son Scholar
Ellen Yates Swan 10/12 Grand daughter ( born out of wedlock to daughter Harriet)

Living Court Street
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1871 Living court Street

John George Yates 71 Carpenter
Sarah Yates   62 Wife
Harriet Yates   30 Dau Laundress
Isaac Yates   23 Son Carpenter
Francis Yates   19 Son Blacksmith
Helen Yates   10 Grandaughter daughter of above Harriet
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Question is which Eleanor is the mother ? Fletcher or Hart ?

Im fully aware of the tree'e on Ancestry but not sure they are correct and if the are how have they eliminated one or other Eleanor?

Sorry for the long posting

Judi

[leka]

Hi judi2632
There is a death for a Elleneena Yate 27th Sept 1831 Madeley Shropshire with a dob 1799.could it be Eleanor Yates wrongly transcribed, its on FindMyPast (birth marriages & deaths). could this be Eleanor Hart who married George in Madeley I have Yates in my Family Tree but they all come from Yorkshire.
Hope this is a help
Leka

[judi2632]

Hi Leka

  Thanks so much for that at least thats one query solved  not sure which Eleanor it relates too but at least gives me an approx birth date to work off.

Very Much Appreciated

Judi

[leka]

Hi judi
Elanor Fletcher dob 3rd Nov 1800 Baptised 4th Jan 1801 in Shifnal her parents are Joseph & Mary. info on FindMyPast.
Leka

[leka]

Elenor Hart baptism 27 April 1794 in Sheriffhales Shropshire, parents Francis & Mary. again on FindMyPast.
Leka

[judi2632]

Hi Leka

I was just looking at that myself  also Eleanor Fletcher Bapt 4 Jan 1801 to parents Joseph and Mary
also on FindMyPast

Given the January Baptism poss born late 1800 so her birth date would be closer to the Eleanor Yate who died in 1831 

So do I conclude that that Eleanor Fletcher married the George Yates that later marries Sarah Wall and appears on the census ??