Richard Hayter born 1780 & Sarah Ansell married 1817

[josey]

Richard Hayter was baptised 4 Feb 1780 in Westminster son of John Hayter & Alice unknown. John a blacksmith & farrier  & Alice lived in Windlesham Surrey for most of their lives. Richard married Sarah Ansell in Kilbixy, Co Westmeath on 10 Aug 1817 - this date & place from a detached page from a family  bible.  He was elder brother of my 3rd g grandfather Charles Hayter.

Richard was a builder & surveyor & was named assignee on the bankruptcy of his brother John Hayter a publican & victualler in 1838.

I've found more 2 documents about Richard. A poll return of 1832 of Sunninghill of Richard Hayter living 'in this parish'. So Richard & Sarah were  in Sunninghill by 1832. Also a newspaper report in the Berkshire Chronicle of Saturday 25 Oct 1845 about the inquest into Richard's death.

1841 census HO107/15/3/1 transcribed by ancestry [they've done really well for a change, it's an extremely faint image but perhaps their's was clearer] starting 2nd line down on the right hand page as:
Richard Hayton   60 [you can just see 'builder'] NBIC
Sarah Hayton   53 NBIC
Hannah Hayton   10 NBIC
Hannah Hayton   3 BIC
Richard Hayton   12 BIC
Hayton   10 BIC
Hayton   35
Searle   45
Sall   65
Share   40

If in age order the children may be 20, 13, 12, 10. The Searle & Sall could be Ansells.

Can anyone please see anything else there, like children's names? Possibly the first 10 yr old may be 20 yr old & may be Henrietta Sarah, baptised St Marylebone 1822 to a Richard & Sarah Hayter [Richard's occupation 'Trade']  . The Some members of this Hayter family did seem flip-flop between Surrey & London, St Marylebone in particular.

Unfortunately Sarah died in 1848 so didn't make the 1851 census where her place of birth would be given [there was a death notice in the paper].

Questions:
Can anyone please enhance that 1841 census image to make it legible?
Where are Richard's & Sarah's children in later censuses? I suspect they would have been born in Sunninghill, Berkshire 1818 onwards.
Can anyone find Sarah Ansell's baptism? If 53 in 1841 she was born ca 1787.

Thanks as always,

Josey

[Maddie]

Hi Josey

Just a thought & you may have already dismissed the idea but as Richard & Sarah married in Co Westmeath Ireland is it possible he was in the Militia & Sarah was actually born in Ireland.

I've tried to decipher the 1841 on both sites but without success, I'm amazed any info was gleaned from the page.

Maddie

[josey]

Hi Maddie, thanks for following me over to Berkshire!!

Yes, I wondered if Richard was serving - must look into that further. Also wondered if he was involved in a building project....

I have looked for Ansells in Ireland on rootsireland.ie bmds & Griffiths valuation; 2 in Griffiths - 1 in Co Dublin, 1 in Co Derry. No Hayter births or deaths 1817 - 1830 [but then the 1817 marriage isn't there either]. 1901 Ireland census has 1 Ansell aged 45 - 55 Co Carlow, 1 Ansell aged 40 - 50 military camp Co Kildare, 5 Ansells aged  20 - 30, none older.

I've tried to decipher the 1841 on both sites but without success, I'm amazed any info was gleaned from the page.

So am I! I would dearly love to see the original, sometimes you can angle the paper against the light & see more of faint writing.

Josey

[Maddie]

Hi Josey

Have you had any luck finding Richard in any Militia info. I can only see one but he was born in Hampshire so I'm guessing not yours.

I was just Googling, as you do, & came across this article.

http://www.crsbi.ac.uk/site/1002/

Looks like this might be a building project Richard was involved in but unfortunately not in Ireland.

Maddie

[josey]

Well, that's interesting, thank you.

No success in finding Richard in the millitia. But that article shows Richard was in Sunninghill, building a church, in 1826. I think I should look around for possible churches in Westmeath built in 1815 - 1820. If those childrens ages are as I surmised, the first may have been born in Ireland ca 1820, the remainder in Sunninghill 1826 onwards.

However, there are a few Hayters born Ireland 1818 - 1822 in the censuses including 1881
RG11; Piece: 2069; Folio: 71; Page: 11; East Harnham, Britford
George F [Fox in 1871] Hayter aged 61 born Louth Ardee, Ireland gardener [dom serv]
Augusta F Hayter aged 60 born Hants, Eling
Jane F Hayter aged 28 dau unm born Wilts, Landford
Edward L Ansell aged 26 born Sussex, Lindfield lodger gardener [dom serv]
So is this a breakthrough? I am just going to follow these people up.

The LDS have the following on film:
Bishop's transcripts for Sunninghill, 1605-1836
Parish chest and poor law records for Sunninghill, 1662-1912
Parish registers for Sunningdale, 1836-1987
Parish registers for Sunninghill, 1561-1984

Unfortunately the Berkshire FHS CD of baptisms does not appear to cover Sunninghill so it's either order a film from the LDS or visit Berkshire Record Office to see the baptisms 1820 - 1840.

[josey]

The church in which Richard & Sarah married is featured here:
http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=WM&regno=15401102

Apparently dated between 1795 - 1805.
"It is the only church in Ireland thought to have been built to designs by Wyatt, and is possibly the first church that he designed entirely in a Gothic Revival style (although Wyatt had remodelled and added Gothic Revival details to other churches before the construction of Kilbixy church)."

[allibaker]

hi
trying to find them on 41 to see if i can see anything different to you but cant even seem to locate them. which county are they in in 1841? i have the geneologist for cencus returns so thought might tell me something different
regards
alli

[allibaker]

not sure if you have thses or not?
buried st micheal and all angels sunninghill-
richard hayter aged 66 yrs buried 26th oct 1845
james samuel hayter aged 31yrs buried 2nd feb 1850
sarah hayter aged 62yrs buried 30th aug 1848
regards
alli

[allibaker]

ah i see it transcribed as hayler
living at sunning common sunninghill
richard hayler 60yrs builder
sarah 56yrs
??hayler  15yrs
hannah hayler
? hayler 0yrs
?? hayler 20yrs
this is how it has been transcribed on the geneologist no help at all iam afraid
regards
alli