Richard Hayter born 1780 & Sarah Ansell married 1817

[Maddie]

This isn't much help in finding your man in Ireland or why he was there however, in case you haven't seen it, there is an Add in the Windsor & Eaton Express, 29 May 1824 stating he has commenced business in what was the premises of Mr Alloway, Butcher, as a Carpenter, Builder & Undertaker. In the following years he is also advertising as a Letting Agent so he must have had quite a business set up. I'm amazed he didn't leave a Will.

Not having much luck discovering who his children were are we. Do you think the Henrietta christened 1822 in St Marylebone could be Richard & Sarah's daughter, if so could she be the Henrietta Hayter in the 1861 aged 35, unmarried, living in Old Windsor with a son Edwin aged 8 born New Zealand. RG9/759/54/14

Maddie

[Maddie]

Josey, take a look at the Will of James Samuel (as indexed on Ancestry) HAYLER, 18th Feb 1850 Sunninghill.

He certainly mentions Henrietta Sarah of Sunninghill Berks, amongst others.

Maddie

[josey]

Thanks so much allibaker, that's definitely 'my' Richard & Sarah as I have their death notices, now is it reasonable to presume that James Samuel was a son as he was buried with them? He could be the 20 yr old on the almost illegible 1841 census.

Good finds, Maddie, so we are getting Richard & Sarah back to England earlier - by 1824. I downloaded the will, thanks.

I found this too
Marriages Jun 1847   
ATTERBURY    Ann Elizabeth        St. Geo. Han. Sq    1   40    
FOWLER    John        St Geo Han Sqr    1   40   
Hayter    Hannah Ellen        St Geo Han Sqr    1   40   
Jenkins    Edward        St Geo Han Sqr    1   40   
Palmer    Phillidelphia        St George Hanover Square    1   40   
Smart    John Franklin        St George Hanover Square    1   40    
TONGUE    Thomas        St Geo Han Sq    1   40    
WHITE    Sophia        St Geo Han Sqr    1   40

So it looks like the John Franklin Smart, trustee in the will, married James' sister Hannah Ellen who gets one of the 1/5 shares?

There's also a Catherine Hayter & a Richard ?? [can't read middle name] Hayter of Sunninghill who get other 1/5s

EDIT: Forgot to mention the Henrietta with son Edwin. Another good find. How did she get there & back to New Zealand in those years? In 1891, Edwin is Edwin Richd J Hayter....named after grandad?

[Maddie]

Josey, have you found the marriage for Hannah Ellen to John Franklin Smart on FindMyPast.

Maddie

[josey]

Yes, I did!!
Jun 1847 St George Hanover Square    1   40   
They had a son William James baptised in Stepney in 1849, but he must have died  - not on censuses. They moved around a bit 1851 presumably (as in 1850 will) Limehouse, 1861 Brighton, 1871 not found, 1881, 1891 Westbury on Trym, no children, both died in 1890s.

I also worked out the name of the legatee in James' will - it's Richard Ansell Hayter. Where is he on the censuses?
EDIT : see next reply! - he appears to be in New Zealand.

So I surmise [no proof] Richard & Sarah's children were:
James Samuel
Henrietta Sarah
Hannah Ellen
Richard Ansell
maybe a George [see reply #4]
possibly Catherine [where is she on the 1851 census?] This is probably her marriage
Marriages Mar 1853   
DERIAZ    Jaques Alphonse        St Geo. H S.    1a   289    
HAYTER    Catherine        St Geo H S    1a   289    
RELLER    Henrietta        St Geo H S.    1a   289    
TURBERVILLE    William        St Geo. H. Sq.    1a   289
The certificate would confirm her father....bit short of funds right now...

A 23 yr old niece Kate Turberville is living with John & Hannah Smart in 1881 so Catherine must have married William Turberville. In 1861 Catherine shows as age 41 born Sunninghill [Sunny Hill on ancestry]. Their son aged 6 was born in Ireland - I can't keep up with this family, they travelled so much  William was a licensed victualler.

I'd love to find the 1851 census for 15 Mercers Terrace, Salmon Lane, Limehouse!!

I did find a James Hayter aged 20 born Ireland with a Tucker family in Hampstead HO107/674/9/11.

[josey]

Found a Richard Ansell Hayter in New Zealand in 1860 [did Henrietta go out to visit him  & become pregnant]
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eo9/
Alphabetical list of all Persons, between the ages of
18 and 60 years, residing within 15 miles from the
Land Office, at Christchurch, and liable to serve as
Militiamen for the year 1860-61 (ending 31st March,
1861) in the Militia District of Christchurch.

He was a farmer at Lower Heathcote.

[Maddie]

Great job that confirms all I have found so far so wont repeat it.

Still looking for Richard A & I can't see Henrietta in the 1851 either. Wondering now did they both go to New Zealand but Henrietta returned with her son.

Talking of Edwin, I see him in the 1891 with wife Helena born Liverpool but is that also them in the 1881 in Lambeth under the name of Wheeler.
RG11/606/31/2

 Edit, Just seen your post, seems like we are of the same thinking, well done.

[josey]

Thanks for all the remarkable help I've been given - so far....

I've been looking at immigration/emigration records with no success. Now my brain aches [body aches too from a zumba session this evening] so I'm off for an early night. No doubt I'll wake up with a lightbulb moment at 3 am...

[Maddie]

At the moment I am browsing PapersPast for Richard with a little bit of success, so there's something for you to look forward to tomorrow.

Maddie