Requesting assistance re:Gibson Hughes -Joan

[loobylooayr]

Had a quick free basic search of 1911 Census -
there is a Ralph McAlister at Hillhead Glasgow aged 17
Please note spelling on certs and censuses can and often does vary  Often depends on who filled the paperwork out! This boy would be approx. 30 in 1924. Could he be Joan's first husband?

Looby

[dawnsh]

Hi Suzanne

I have just seen you other post on the Surrey board.

I'll post this marriage as it doesn't seem to have been mentioned

Marriage June 1968

GREEN, EDWARD, spouse GREEN, KINGSTON/THS 5C   1546   
GREEN, EDWARD, spouse MCALLISTER,  KINGSTON/THS    5C   1546   
GREEN, JOAN, spouse GREEN,    KINGSTON/THS    5C   1546    
MCALLISTER,  JOAN G, spouse GREEN,  KINGSTON/THS    5C   1546

The inference from this entry is that Joan may have been known as Joan Green for some time prior to her marriage to Edward but her surname was also McAllister from her previous marriage

I also note that the daughter born in 1935 had her birth registered in both surnames, Green and McAllister (inferring the parents weren't married but he was happy to have his name on the birth cert) but seems to have been legitimsed by a later re-registration in 1968 after the marriage of her parents.

[imchad]

Hi Suzanne

I have never been able to figure out how to send a private message.  I know that the rules forbid me from putting my own email address in a reply but if you do a google search for imchad you will find me.

You can see Raehills here:  http://www.raehills.com/

Best wishes

Ian

[KGarrad]

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[sarah]

I have the original birth certificate for Joan Lewis XA 784159 or 11559

posted on behalf of lewisgreenfamilysearch who had click on the report to moderator button in error.

Sarah

[LewisGreenfamilysearch]

Thank you to you all for these new replies and information. I will try to answer/clarify your questions.

Looby & Ian,

Joan Gibson Hughes marriage to Ralph McAllister in 1924 was at St Enochs parish church Glasgow.
His age was given as 28 which means born 1896
occupation - Electrical engineer
address - Dover St, Glasgow
father - Ebenezer McAllister, occupation - Estate Manager
mother - Augusta McAllister maiden name not legible but could be Clark?
[The Hillhead address you gave and Dover St address listed appear to be fairly close to each other in Glasgow but the age and spelling on the Census you quoted is slightly off and would make for a greater age difference between them though that's not uncommon.]

Joan Gibson Hughes given age 22 on the marriage certificate is accurate according to dates on our death certificate ( born Jan 28th, 1902 Glasgow) and the Birth certificate viewed online confirms that date of birth, Parents listed are -
Mary Jenkins Hughes/William Hughes married April 11th 1890 in Dumfriesshire.
JoanGH's birth was registered in Dennistoun District county of Lanark.The address given is again not legible (to me) but looks like 55 "Blenheim"?, ?, Glasgow.
[William and Mary had 5 children I don't know where Joan Gibson Hughes was in the birth order so I assume they have moved within the 12 yrs before her birth in Glasgow][at least one sibling of Joan Gibson landed in Rhu/Row (Nell) and one (Jessie) in Kilmalcolm working at a house called Fairfield.]

The marriage certificate found for William and Mary Hughes connects them to Raehills Gardens given under "Usual residence" for both Mary and William on April 11th1890. Both William and his father give their occupations as Gardeners, journeyman and Master respectively.

Joan's middle name of Gibson  may have come from the given maiden name of Marys mother Jane Jenkins M.S. Gibson (deceased). Her father was John Jenkins.

[The Jenkins and the Hughes families must be local to the general area of Johnstone Parish as well I assume but were not the witnesses for the marriage. They are listed as A.Macgregor -minister of Johnstone and James Bird and Mary Nicol]

Looby,

How would I find and look at the 1968 marriage you mentioned?

I haven't discounted the 1951 marriage because I really don't know how to find it to look at it

Ian,
Does that give you any of the info needed for your indexes of Raehills?

Sarah,
Thank you. Could you post the Birth certificate or PM the details for me to see?

KGARRAD & Ian
Are PM's preferable to replying to posts the way I am doing it?

* I really need to figure out how to do these quotes it would save time and might be less confusing to all of you.

Thanks again!

[KGarrad]

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[dawnsh]

Hi Suzanne

Very few marriages are online after about the 1920's. Those marriages already online tend to be those from Church of England Parish registers deposited at regional archives, where those archives are working with the likes of Ancestry & FindMyPast.

You will only rarely find a register office wedding online as those are kept by the local register office. Some registration districts are working to index their holdings online but not have the complete documents to view.

As KGarrad mentions certificates from the GRO are the cheapest way of buying them and the cost does include worldwoide postage. Register offices charge more and can add postage and packing costs.

Dawn

[jonn]

Thought this may be interesting to you.

1881 census Address, St, Enochs Hall, Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland,

Ebenezer McAllister, Head, Land Stewart, M. age 26 years, M. born Kilpatrick, Fleming, Dumfries,
Augusta McAllister, Wife, M. age 25 years, F. born England,
James McAllister, Son, age 2 years, born, Bothwell, Lanark,
Thomas McAllister, Brother, Commercial Clerk, U. age 22 years, Born Kilpatrick, Fleming, Dumfries,
Matthew McAllister, Brother, Commercial Clerk, U. age 19 years, born Kilpatrick, Fleming, Dumfries.

There is a marriage on Scotlandspeople 1878. Bothwell, Lanark, of Ebenezer McAllister, and Augusta Clark.

There is only one birth for a Ralph McAllister, on Scotlandspeople, years 1881. to 1899. this birth is 1893, of all places Bothwell, Lanark.

The 1861 census Address Gillshaws, Kilpatrick- Fleming, Dumfries,

McAllister James, Head, M. age 34 years, M. Farm Overseer, born Dumfries,
McAllister Mary Ann, Wife, M. age 31 years, F. born Annan, Dumfries,
McAllister William, Son, age 8 years, Scholar, M. born Cummertrees, Dumfries,
McAllister Ebenezer, Son, age 6 years, Scholar, M. born Annan, Dumfries,
McAllister James, Son, 4 years, M. born Kilpatrick, Fleming, Dumfries,
McAllister Thomas, Son, age 2 years, M. born Kilpatrick, Fleming, Dumfries,
McAllister Isabella, Daur, age 2 years, F. born Kilpatrick, Fleming, Dumfries,
McAllister Mary Ann, Daur, age 10 Months, F. born Kilpatrick, Fleming, Dumfries.

Most of the births for this couple are on Familysearch.

Parents James McAllister, and Mary Anne Graham.

What age was Mary Jenkins, when she married William Hughes, in 1890. William, age may also be helpful.

Regards,
Jonn.