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Carlow Emigration Patterns
« on: Thursday 05 February 15 22:30 GMT (UK) »
Hello Everyone,
I am interested in finding out about which emigration patterns were prevalent during the 1860's. Did most of the emigrant ships leave Liverpool?  I have found an index to a marriage record which I have ordered from the GRO on familysearch. Patrick McDonald and Ann Bryan (the names of my gr, gr grandparents, along with 2 other names, of course!) are on the page. I'm cautiously optimistic that I may have found out where they married. They ended up settling in Fall River, MA, where I don't find a marriage cert. The record I found has the marriage taking place in West Derby, Lancashire, which I believe is the county which contained Liverpool at that time. I'm eager to find out if there may have been a reason they would marry in England, if in fact, they did
Any info sincerely appreciated.
Thanks!
Baker, Dorey: Dorset, England > Quincy, Massachusetts
Peddle: England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: North Bridgewater & Easton, Massachusetts
Marks: Laceiras, Lisbon, Portugal
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > North Bridgewater, Massachusetts

Farnum, Phillips: Barbados>England

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Re: Carlow Emigration Patterns
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 February 15 23:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi

They married 13.8.1865 at Our Lady of Immaculate Conception Liverpool.  The entry actually shows his surname as McDonnell - father was Thomas

The entry is in Latin and her father was "Joannis"

Witnesses were Joanne Roney and Anna Burgin

Patrick is shown as "of Kirkdale" and Ann of "West Derby" - both are Liverpool districts
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Re: Carlow Emigration Patterns
« Reply #2 on: Friday 06 February 15 01:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi

They married 13.8.1865 at Our Lady of Immaculate Conception Liverpool.  The entry actually shows his surname as McDonnell - father was Thomas

The entry is in Latin and her father was "Joannis"

Witnesses were Joanne Roney and Anna Burgin

Patrick is shown as "of Kirkdale" and Ann of "West Derby" - both are Liverpool districts

Thank you Carole!
Wow!!
Both father's names are the same ones I have. May I ask, is your info from the church record? I ask because the civil index has name as McDonald. I believe they lived in Raheen and Rathanna, Kiltennell, Carlow.
By"of Kirkdale" and "of West Derby" would you think it safe to assume that they both relocated to Lancashire and lived in separate districts until marriage?
I cannot thank you enough for this lead. What a find!
Gratefully,
Steve
Baker, Dorey: Dorset, England > Quincy, Massachusetts
Peddle: England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: North Bridgewater & Easton, Massachusetts
Marks: Laceiras, Lisbon, Portugal
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > North Bridgewater, Massachusetts

Farnum, Phillips: Barbados>England

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Re: Carlow Emigration Patterns
« Reply #3 on: Friday 06 February 15 01:31 GMT (UK) »
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Yes - the information is from the original parish record.  The priest may have entered the wrong surname.  The districts given would relate to where they were living at the time of marriage.

I am sending you a pm re parish record
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Re: Carlow Emigration Patterns
« Reply #5 on: Friday 06 February 15 09:09 GMT (UK) »
McDonald and McDonnell are used interchangeably so the priest was merely recording a variation of McDonald. Both Patrick and Ann might have been living in England for a while before marriage or just for a short while, probably impossible to say for sure.
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Re: Carlow Emigration Patterns
« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 February 15 12:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Yes - the information is from the original parish record.  The priest may have entered the wrong surname.  The districts given would relate to where they were living at the time of marriage.

I am sending you a pm re parish record

Thanks, Carole!
I got it this morning. Looks very promising. I think this may be a wall-buster!!

Steve
Baker, Dorey: Dorset, England > Quincy, Massachusetts
Peddle: England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: North Bridgewater & Easton, Massachusetts
Marks: Laceiras, Lisbon, Portugal
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > North Bridgewater, Massachusetts

Farnum, Phillips: Barbados>England

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Re: Carlow Emigration Patterns
« Reply #7 on: Friday 06 February 15 12:57 GMT (UK) »
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-emigration.html

Links about Irish emigration

http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-immigration-to-Britain.html

Hi Conahy.
Thanks for the links. We have sub-zero temps here in New England today, so I think I'll educate myself by the fire!
Baker, Dorey: Dorset, England > Quincy, Massachusetts
Peddle: England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: North Bridgewater & Easton, Massachusetts
Marks: Laceiras, Lisbon, Portugal
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > North Bridgewater, Massachusetts

Farnum, Phillips: Barbados>England

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Re: Carlow Emigration Patterns
« Reply #8 on: Friday 06 February 15 12:59 GMT (UK) »
McDonald and McDonnell are used interchangeably so the priest was merely recording a variation of McDonald. Both Patrick and Ann might have been living in England for a while before marriage or just for a short while, probably impossible to say for sure.

Exactly what I was thinking. Thank you!
Steve
Baker, Dorey: Dorset, England > Quincy, Massachusetts
Peddle: England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: North Bridgewater & Easton, Massachusetts
Marks: Laceiras, Lisbon, Portugal
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > North Bridgewater, Massachusetts

Farnum, Phillips: Barbados>England