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Searching for Henry Francis in Sussex in 1841
« on: Tuesday 05 July 05 06:35 BST (UK) »
Help required please in finding  Henry Francis aged abt 8 in 1841. He was born according to the 1851 census in Sutton, Sussex and in 1861 Pulborough. he was the illegitamate son of Harriet Francis born in Birdham in 1813 and a Henry Boyles. He was christened in the Birdham area. Harriets father was a Charles and Martha Francis. I am struggling to find Henry Boyles but I imagine so was Charles Francis!!
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Re: Searching for Henry Francis in Sussex in 1841
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 July 05 15:16 BST (UK) »
Had a look both Sutton and Birdham but did not sadly come up with what you were looking for.

HO107/1103 BIRDHAM

GEORGE FRANCIS 75 FARMER
GEORGE FRANCIS 35 FARMER
MARY 40
ANNE 40
SARAH 35
ELIZABETH 35
HENRY 15  AG LAB   All born Sussex

HO107/1094  SUTTON

WILLIAM FRANCIS 70 AG LAB
JAMES 30 AG LAB
MARY 35
MARY 8
WILLIAM 4
GEORGE 2
JAMES 1month


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Re: Searching for Henry Francis in Sussex in 1841
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 July 05 15:33 BST (UK) »
Checked the IGI. See Henry was baptized Sidlesham 01/07/1832 Parent given as Harriett Francis.Still haven't found her but have found this.Remember enumerators rounded ages down to the nearest 5 for ages over 15. Also not all children are baptized as babys. My son was four when he was baptized. 

HO107/1103 SIDDLESHAM

STREET END
CHARLES FRANCIS 50 AG LAB
MARTHA 50
GEORGE 14
ELLEN 20
HENRY 10
JOHN 3

ALSO...
JAMES FRANCIS 40 BLACKSMITH
ANN 35
EMILY 3
RICHARD 35 BLACKSMITH

All born Sussex.

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Re: Searching for Henry Francis in Sussex in 1841
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 July 05 16:10 BST (UK) »
No Sign of Harriett or Henry Pulborough 1841.

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Re: Searching for Henry Francis in Sussex in 1841
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 July 05 09:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Diane   Thankyou very much for your help.   My search for Henry Boyles has been a brick wall for ages. When Henry Francis married Sarah Knight in 1856 he knew the name of his father i.e. Henry Boyles who was an Ag Lab. When Henry Francis was christened, and I have the records from West Sussex, no father is mentioned.
What is confusing is that Henry Francis names his birthplace as Sutton in 1851 (he was 18) when he was living with a Hubbard family in Pulborough as a servant journeyman blacksmith. In 1861 he gives his birthplace as Pulborough and in 1871, again Sutton. He died later in 1871. There are some Francis baptisms in in Sutton 1820-1841.
I recently found out that Harriet Francis married a Thomas Child in December 1838  In the 1851 census for Pulborough which I have from West Sussex I find that Thomas Child is a blacksmith an Harriet gives her birthplace as Birdham although she was christened in Siddlesham the daughter of Charles and Martha Francis. In 1841 Thomas and Harriet are living in Lower Street but no sign of Henry who would be about 8yrs.
From the IGI I can only find one Henry Boyles in the period born in 1810 to a Nicholas Boyles and Ruth Boniface  in South Berstead.
South Berstead is quite near Siddlesham hence my interest in the Henry Boyles of Brighthelmston who married another Harriet (Bishop) in Feb 1837. I wonder if the 1851 census in Brighton shoud be Berstead instead of Binstead. So what happened to little Henry in 1841 and am I on the right track for his dad. I have traced this Henry Boyles back and would love to be convinced that I hve the right bloke
because this is my direct paternal line. What are the odds?
All help appreciated      Findo  http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/a/r/David-M-Parker/index.html
Boyles, West Sussex
Francis, West Sussex
Groombridge, Kent
Davey, Sussex
Brooks, Hackney, Essex
East, Hackney
Benfield, London
Godbolt, Norfolk and Suffolk
Monteith, Perthshire
Duncan, Perthshire
Taylor, Perthshire
Gould, Perthshire
Bartlett, Oxfordshire
Seymour, Berks
Gordon, Ross and Crom
Mackensie, Ross and Crom
Walker, Aberdeenshire
Hunter, Aberdeenshire
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Re: Searching for Henry Francis in Sussex in 1841
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 July 05 13:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Findo
              don't mean to add to the confusion, but was looking Brighton for someone else ,look at what I found.

HO107 1122  ED2  SAUNDERS COURT

HENRY BOYLES 31 GREENGROCER
HARRIETT 33
JOHN 4
JAMES 3
EDWARD 1

Seems Henry Boyles was a popular name!!

Diane ::)
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Re: Searching for Henry Francis in Sussex in 1841
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 16 July 05 14:26 BST (UK) »
 This is what i have from Gemsgirl

Dear Findo
Here are the family  in 1851 Census:

1851 Census transcription HO 107/1646  Brighton, The Old Town  Folio 33

1 Saunders Building

BOYLES   Henry    Head Married  42y Baker              North Binstead
BOYLES   Harriett Wife   Married  45y Greengrocer   Rottingdean
BOYLES   John       son                  13y                       Brighton
BOYLES   James     son                  11y scholar          Brighton
BOYLES   Edward   son                  9y   scholar          Brighton

Best Wishes
Gemsgirl   

There is no North Binstead IOW but the Henry I seek is from South Bersted Parish which incorporates North Bersted.  Think I'll have a bacon sandwich and then water the garden and take the dog for a walk. I am begining to look like Hercule Poirot.

Thanks again   Findo battling on
Boyles, West Sussex
Francis, West Sussex
Groombridge, Kent
Davey, Sussex
Brooks, Hackney, Essex
East, Hackney
Benfield, London
Godbolt, Norfolk and Suffolk
Monteith, Perthshire
Duncan, Perthshire
Taylor, Perthshire
Gould, Perthshire
Bartlett, Oxfordshire
Seymour, Berks
Gordon, Ross and Crom
Mackensie, Ross and Crom
Walker, Aberdeenshire
Hunter, Aberdeenshire
Robertson, Aberdeenshire
Harwell, Aberdeenshire
Truswell, Notts
Payne, Derbys
Stevenson, Derbys
Magson  Yorkshire

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Re: Searching for Henry Francis in Sussex in 1841
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 16 July 05 16:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Findo,
                 have looked 1841 South Bersted (including North Bersted where my sister lives) no Boyles. As far as I know there is no church North Bersted so they would have used South Bersted church surely.Do you think that there is a mix up in place of birth for Henry 1851 and Binsted is really Bersted?
  Have just repaired leaking twenty foot pond, so think I will  have a cuppa,cook tea, have a bath and  ****** the dog( whom I love very much ) until it's cooler this evening!!

Best Wishes

Diane
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