ClENDINNEN Marriage in Manorhamilton

[Cathy_Aus]

was Given a Marriage date for my ggggrandparents 4 march 1802...John C Clendinnen and Mary Charlotte (nee Ellis) apparently it was from a Methodist researcher as John clendinnen was a Wesleyan minister but this researcher cant recall lol where he got this date from....John was in Manorhamilton in Ireland , posted there , in 1802 so guessing that's where he married Any suggestions please...we want to confirm the date and if possible any more info re it...thanks:)

[Elwyn Soutter]

I would try the local Church of Ireland records (assuming they still exists). What you can be fairly sure of is that if the couple married in 1802, then it wasn’t a Methodist ceremony.

Despite the hostility of many of the Church of Ireland clergy, the Methodist movement remained unequivocally a part of the Established Church from the date of its beginnings in 1747, when John Wesley first came to Ireland, until 1816, when the movement split. Between 1747 and 1816, therefore, records of Methodist baptisms, marriages and burials will be found in the registers of the Church of Ireland. The split in 1816 took place over the question of the authority of the Methodist ministers to administer sacraments, and resulted in the "Primitive Methodists' remaining within the Church of Ireland, and the "Wesleyan Methodists" authorizing their ministers to perform baptisms and communions. (In theory, at least up to 1844, only marriages carried out by a minister of the Church of Ireland were legally valid). The split continued until 1878, when the Primitive Methodists united with the Wesleyan Methodists outside the Church of Ireland. What this means is that the earliest surviving registers which are specifically Methodist date from 1815/16, and relate only to the Wesleyan Methodists. The information recorded in these is identical to that given in the Church of Ireland registers. The earliest Methodist marriage I have ever seen was about 1835 (in Belfast).

Try either the local COI church in Manorhamilton or the RCB library in Dublin, for copies of the parish records.

[Cathy_Aus]

Hi elwyn:)
Thanks for your reply and info
It kinda seems strange to me that the Clendinnen researcher was given that marriage date by a Methodist researcher, but couldn't tell him where he found that???So trying to locate the actual source for that...and any more info if available 
Also chance of an earlier marriage too, as john was 32 when he married Mary
From what we know too, this Ellis family, again not confirmed, were from around gorey in Wexford
And as john was Stationed all over Ireland as a Wesleyan minister, trying to find any more children, if they had them, at this stage we have only found 2 john and William(my direct line) Possibly others born in other areas of Ireland too
Cathy:)

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 James Rea was one of four preachers from Ireland received on trial at the Conference of 1765, and was appointed to Newry. He 'desisted from traveling' in 1770. An unpublished diary by Jonathan Hern, then stationed at Castlebar, says he rode to Dublin with Mr. Clendinnen on July 14, 1772, and attended a watch-night service there that night.

John C. Clendinnen, of Downpatrick, was received on trial as a preacher in 1796 and appointed to Ballyshannon. He died at Bideford in 1855.

[Elwyn Soutter]

I’d suggest you try contacting the historian at Edgehill Theological College in Belfast. They have material on early Methodist Ministers in Ireland. Might be able to give you some family information and also details of where the family lived.

http://www.edgehillcollege.org/about-edgehill/methodist-historical-society-in-ireland/

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William Glendinen (22] of Quarterland, his son - James of Ballyminister
(part V), his second son - John Clendinnen born 1770, in County Down was a clergyman of the Irish Methodist Church and, as was the old custom, held two year terms at Ballyconnell, Clones, Birr, Boyle, Fullamore, Wicklow, Skibbereen, Bandon, Longford, Manor Hamilton, Ballyshannon and Newtownbarry. He was attacked and nearly lost his life in the Rising of 1798. Rev. John Clendinnen died in Bideford ,buried 9 February 1855 in the 59th year of his ministry, his son William was born in 1805 at Skibbereen or Bandon: a medical man, Dr. William Clendinnen died at Clonmore Lodge, Hacketstown, County Carlow “in the early eighties”. He married in Newtownbarry parish church. 29 May 1826, Margaret Deakes, their children:
1. John Deakes Clendinnen, physician, born at Newtownbarry 24 February
1828; died at Des Joachims, Quebec, Canada, 17 April 1877. Dr.
C]endinnen married Hannah Burns In Ottawa 10 February 1657, their issue -
1. Lydia Charlotte, died 18 June 1867
ii. John William Burns, born 9 March 1860 died 16 March 1897
lii. Charles Albert Edward, living in Ottawa, born 5 April 1863. Died there February 1930
iv, George Samuel Clendinnen, D.D,, Methodist clergyman in Sarnia, Ontario, a prominent Freeman, born 4 March 1866, married (1) Katie E. Annand, their issue - Margaret Evangeline, born 7 July 1892; George, died 1894; Stafford, died 1897; Ivan, born 1 January 1899, lives at Newboro, Ontario; Beatrice Colby, born 20 February 1907, married 15 April 1936 to Joseph Rombough B.Sc.; married (2) Patricia Galbraith, 7 November 1935.
v. James Austin, born 1 May 1869, died 10 February 1894
vi. Thomas Ellis, born 4 August 1872, married 16 October 1915, Ella H. Smith and they have one daughter, Mary Elizabeth, born 1919, living in Ottawa
vii. Elizabeth Frances Louisa, born 21 July 1875.

2. Margaret Alicia, born 31 January 1830, died 19 August 1863, married 24 November 1852 to Samuel Hanna of the County Down family

3. Charles, born 30 September 1831, died 2 May 1853.

4. Marianne, born 4 August 1833, married 26 October 1870 to John Wheeler of Rathmines, Bublin

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Clendinnen, John, Ord.1796, Ballyshannon. 1797,... Ballyconnell,— 98, Clones.— 99, Birr.— 1800, Boyle 1801, Tullamore. 1802, Manorhamilton. 1803, Wicklow. 1804, Skibbereen. 1805, Bandon. 1806, Longford.1807, 08, Ballyshannon.1809, 10, Newtownbarry 1811, Carlow. 1812, Ballinamallard. 1813, Dungannon. 1814, 15, Cavan. — 1816, 17, Newtownbarry. — 1818, 19, Castlebar. — 20, 21, Boyle. — 1822, Longford.— 1823/24, Castleblaney.— 25, 26, Newtownbarry. 1827/28, Wicklow. 1829, Monaghan. — 30, Clones. — 1831, 32,

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John was 32 when he married Mary..so where was he when he was 32??

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his son William was born in 1805 at Skibbereen or Bandon..... he was in Skib in 1905