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Garner/Tyrer Marriage Question
« on: Wednesday 18 February 15 14:11 GMT (UK) »
Hello>

I've got something of a mystery here, I hope you can help me find out the answers. I seeking information concerning the following marriages:

1. 1946, Liverpool..George Stanley Garner, son of Norman and Eleanor, marries Joan Tyrer.

2. 24 April 1954, Toronto Canada..George Stanley Garner marries Nora Roberta Tryer.

I have documents that show George was born 22/5/27 in Liverpool. Nora Tyrer was born 9/6/24 in Liverpool. The index of marriages shows a marriage between G.S. Garner and Joan Tyrer, June 1946. This marriage produced two children, Stanley born Liverpool 1947 and Linda J, born Liverpool 1948. I can locate Stanley traveling with his grandparents to America in 1953, so I am presuming that Linda has passed away ( or perhaps as a result of a divorce the children were split between the parents with Stanley going to his father and Linda to his mother).

There is a passenger record for George Stanley's parents, Norman and Eleanor, traveling with 6 year old Stanley, in 1953 to New York.

My question is whether Joan and Nora Roberta Tyrer are related. Can it just be simply that George Married two women, both born in Liverpool, named Tyrer. And what became of Joan Garner nee Tyrer and Linda J. Garner.

Any help is appreciated.

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Re: Garner/Tyrer Marriage Question
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 18 February 15 14:36 GMT (UK) »
Before we start looking, can you confirm that all the people mentioned are now deceased?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Garner/Tyrer Marriage Question
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 18 February 15 14:42 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure about the 1924 birth date for Nora - there's a birth for a Nora R Tyrer registered Q4 1927, and this baptism

30 Sep 1927 St John the Evangelist, Knotty Ash, Lancashire, England
Nora Roberta Tyrer - [Child] of Thomas Tyrer & Mary Maria
   Abode: 38 Belfast Rd.
    Occupation: Labourer
    Baptised by: Frank J. Powell
   

Do you have a birth date for Joan?

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Re: Garner/Tyrer Marriage Question
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 18 February 15 14:47 GMT (UK) »
I have sent you a pm in case one is still living.
The second marriage certificate would hopefully show fathers names.

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Re: Garner/Tyrer Marriage Question
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 18 February 15 14:50 GMT (UK) »
One to consider

Joan Garner

Birth Year abt 1928

Age 30

Burial Date 23 Apr 1958

Parish Ford Cemetery, Lancashire, England

added: a bit too late

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Re: Garner/Tyrer Marriage Question
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 18 February 15 14:56 GMT (UK) »
Joan Tyrer was also known as Joan Horrocks

 Joan TYRER and  George S GARNER in 1946 at Stoneycroft, All Saints

 Joan HORROCKS and  George S GARNER in 1946 at Stoneycroft, All Saints

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Re: Garner/Tyrer Marriage Question
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 February 15 15:00 GMT (UK) »
Joan went to America

Joan Garner

Age 23


Departure Date 13 Mar 1954

Port of Departure Liverpool, England

Destination Port New York, USA

Ship Name Francoina



Shipping line Cunard Steam Ship Company, Limited

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Re: Garner/Tyrer Marriage Question
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 18 February 15 15:07 GMT (UK) »
Stanley came back from Canada  with Elenor and an aunt in December 1954. I can;t see the aunt going out before then, but she and Elenor (whose citizenship is listed as Uk Canada) go out again in 1956


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Re: Garner/Tyrer Marriage Question
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 18 February 15 16:34 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for all the responses, they have helped greatly.

I can confirm that George Stanley Garner and Nora Roberta Garner have passed. As for Joan Garner nee Tyrer, I have no information other than the marriage to George Stanley.
I am confused as to the identification of the parents of Joan and Nora Roberta. On the 1946 marriage index Joan is identified as either Joan Tyrer or Joan Horrocks.
There is a marriage, date 1931, between an Arthur Tyrer and a Margaret Horrocks, but that would be way after any of these two ladies, Joan and Nora Roberta was born. So where do Horrocks play into this. There is a index for a marriage between John Tyrer and Margaret J Jones, Dec 1924 Liverpool.
So it would appear that George married the sisters, first Joan, in 1946 and then Nora Roberta, in 1952, in Toronto. Are divorces indexed for England. When did George Stanley go to Canada. What happened to the child Linda J.

Again, thanks.