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Willam Smith Chelsea Pensioner born approx 1815 Orwell Kinross
« on: Thursday 19 February 15 09:14 GMT (UK) »
I have William smith on the 1861 Census living Lochgellly Fife
William Smith age 46 Chelsea pensioner born Orwell
Mary wife
William son born Ireland age 25
Ann dau age 21 born Gibralter
Isabelle dau age 18 born Gib
Margaret dau age 16 born Gib
Jane dau age 15 born ST Lucia West Indies
on 1871 census still living Lochgelly listed as pensioner Sargeant instructor of Volunteers
1881 census William Smith age 66 Army pensioner still living Lochgelly
he dies June 1881 death cert says Private 1st Royal Scotts Chelsea pensioner
Wanting to know if there will be army record for him also where can I find birth registration for his children born abroad.

Thanks for any help you may be able to give me

Sheila
Edwards Llanfyllin Wales Evans LLanfyllin Wales
Salmon(Lawrence)b.1847 Monaghan Ireland
Salmon(lawrence)1869 Darlington, died Stockton on Tees
Duffey Staffordshire
Morris LLanfyllin, David Edwards 1779 Llanrhaiader Wales

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Re: Willam Smith Chelsea Pensioner born approx 1815 Orwell Kinross
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 19 February 15 10:26 GMT (UK) »
Any one able to help with William Smith
Edwards Llanfyllin Wales Evans LLanfyllin Wales
Salmon(Lawrence)b.1847 Monaghan Ireland
Salmon(lawrence)1869 Darlington, died Stockton on Tees
Duffey Staffordshire
Morris LLanfyllin, David Edwards 1779 Llanrhaiader Wales

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Re: Willam Smith Chelsea Pensioner born approx 1815 Orwell Kinross
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 19 February 15 12:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sheila

The 1st Regiment of Foot was one of the few regiments to keep two battalions throughout the 19th Century. Both battalions were in the West Indies in 1846. However it was the 1st Battalion that was in Gibraltar from November 1839 to February 1846. Btw…they were in Ireland from January 1836 to April 1838.

I cannot find his service record on Findmypast. FindMyPast also have Regimental Births, but again there is nothing indexed as 1st Foot. You need to ask on the Gib and WI sections for advise on finding their children's births.

I fear the best way forward is to research the muster book/paylists in the National Archives – starting with the 1st Bn/1st Foot when Ann was born. They are not online. Remember to check the 1st Bn Depot which should be in the same book. If you find him you could leap back to William's birth to save time. The first and last entries in the muster usual gives additional information. Also check when he had served 7 and 14 years as they received an extra penny in pay. And again, more information is often recorded. On this occasion being called Smith is an advantage as the Paymaster would usually write their place of birth and previous occupation in red ink, to tell them apart.

He is likely to have been discharged after 21 years. Once you have his regimental number you can check Ancestry for any medals he may have earned.

Added...the 1st Bn 1st Foot were in Nova Scotia for the 1851 census.

Ken

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Re: Willam Smith Chelsea Pensioner born approx 1815 Orwell Kinross
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 19 February 15 17:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Ken for your reply. I am planning a visit to Kew in a couple of months so will print off your reply and take it with me, also will do as you suggest and post on the Gib and WI board.

Thanks again

Sheila
Edwards Llanfyllin Wales Evans LLanfyllin Wales
Salmon(Lawrence)b.1847 Monaghan Ireland
Salmon(lawrence)1869 Darlington, died Stockton on Tees
Duffey Staffordshire
Morris LLanfyllin, David Edwards 1779 Llanrhaiader Wales


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Re: Willam Smith Chelsea Pensioner born approx 1815 Orwell Kinross
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 19 February 15 19:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi Shelia

You will need a readers ticket. Here are the references you need:

WO 12/1905   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1835
WO 12/1906   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1836
WO 12/1907   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1837
WO 12/1908   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1839
WO 12/1909   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1840
WO 12/1910   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1841
WO 12/1911   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1842
WO 12/1912   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1843
WO 12/1913   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1844
WO 12/1914   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1845
WO 12/1915   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1846
WO 12/1916   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1847
WO 12/1917   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1848
WO 12/1918   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1849
WO 12/1919   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1850
WO 12/1920   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1851
WO 12/1921   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1852
WO 12/1922   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1853
WO 12/1923   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1854
WO 12/1924   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1855
WO 12/1925   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1856
WO 12/1926   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1857
WO 12/1927   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1858
WO 12/1928   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1859
WO 12/1929   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1860
WO 12/1930   1st Foot (Royal Scots) 1st Battn.   1861

Most will cover one year. Some may cover two years. The starting date may be 25th December of the previous year; 25th March; or even 1st January. It is important that you look at all sections as men may be mentioned more than once.

Ken


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Re: Willam Smith Chelsea Pensioner born approx 1815 Orwell Kinross
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 19 February 15 21:39 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again Ken will take this list to Kew with me.

Sheila
Edwards Llanfyllin Wales Evans LLanfyllin Wales
Salmon(Lawrence)b.1847 Monaghan Ireland
Salmon(lawrence)1869 Darlington, died Stockton on Tees
Duffey Staffordshire
Morris LLanfyllin, David Edwards 1779 Llanrhaiader Wales

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Re: Willam Smith Chelsea Pensioner born approx 1815 Orwell Kinross
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 March 15 01:10 GMT (UK) »
I have William smith on the 1861 Census living Lochgellly Fife
William Smith age 46 Chelsea pensioner born Orwell
Mary wife

Do you have Mary's maiden name please?

Annie
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Re: Willam Smith Chelsea Pensioner born approx 1815 Orwell Kinross
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 03 March 15 03:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi  check on "millymcb" she just listed your william smith Cheers gmar
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Re: Willam Smith Chelsea Pensioner born approx 1815 Orwell Kinross
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 March 15 06:51 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for replying Annie William smiths wife was Mary Brash
Edwards Llanfyllin Wales Evans LLanfyllin Wales
Salmon(Lawrence)b.1847 Monaghan Ireland
Salmon(lawrence)1869 Darlington, died Stockton on Tees
Duffey Staffordshire
Morris LLanfyllin, David Edwards 1779 Llanrhaiader Wales