Where is this place please? Possibly in St Clears

[Griffl]

Hi all,
have an interesting baptism entry here...

I understand it all except the part where it says of where Barbara/h James was "of"?
Wonder if anyone could help?
cheers

[Rhosgoch]

Hi Griffi,

I think it could be "Clogyfran" - the last bit "ogyfran" with the circumflex over the 'a' is definitely right, and the only place around St Clears anything like that is Clogyfran. It is a farm between Whitland and St Clears and Llanddowror, standing on a high hill between the three villages.

Hope this helps,

Rhosgoch

[Ruskie]

I have no clue really, but browsing a map noticed Rhydyfran in Elwys Cymyn Parish, though I can't see any of the first part of that word in your document.

[Griffl]

Diolch Rhosgoch! that's great!

I can see that quite well now you have pointed it out to me,
oh I know too well of the nuisance of using circumflex's in welsh lol

I will have to go internet searching now for any other info on the farm

[omega 1]

Hello Griffi

Clog Y Fran,St Clears stands on a scarp above river Fenni,2 and a half miles west of St Clears.

The property has information of its history etc in the book ,Historic Carmarthenshire Homes and Their Families by Major Francis Jones.

Kind regards
omega

[Griffl]

Great, this house seems to be of some considerable antiquity.
Although I have just had a thought-are we certain that it was her family that farmed?or perhpas she could have been a servant?
I would think that if she were a servant that being unmarried and with child she might have been dismissed.

[Rhosgoch]

I think she could have been a servant - it looks a bit like servant before Clogyfran, but the writing is so old fashioned. Interesting that the father was from Newton, Pembrokeshire so he must have acknowledged his child.

As a matter of interest, Barbara James, spinster, married Josiah Bynon, carpenter, at St Clears on 19 June 1755. Just the banns survive and there is little detail on them.

Cheers,

Rhosgoch

ps There were Evans living at Clogyfran for many generations, up to the present.

[Griffl]

Now you've said that I can "sort of" see it, although it looks like two separate words and certainly doesn't look like a V to me.

That is quite interesting, but its a fair distance away, would the father have to have acknowledged the child or could the mother just point the finger?

Yes I found that too thanks, they had at least one child together that I can see but it died as a baby.
Interestingly the child was called Melchendise (sp) Philipp Beynon.... the farm of Clogyfran used to be in the hands of the Philipps family, so a link there - or just a coincidence ?