Birth/baptism lookup request Crispe family

[elissajeanette]

Hi,

I'm looking for information on my grandfather, with the particular aim of finding out who his parents were and tracing their history. His name was Ian Andrew Frederick Miller Crispe (our family goes by Miller-Crispe, but I've never found it hyphenated in the records I've seen). He was in Calcutta, and my dad was born in India, my grandfather married an Ethel Ablett in India (my grandmother). I think my grandfather was involved with Messrs. Hoares Miller & Co in Calcutta (possibly as an accountant), but I can't find much information on them.

I have one record that lists his birthplace as being Berkshire, and his birth year was around 1897-8. I'd really like to find his birth record and baptism record if he has one.

I now have a bunch of information from the lovely people at ww2talk.com: http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/56726-desperately-searching-for-information-on-my-grandfather-wwii/ from his first marriage, potential relatives, mother's place of residence (but still not her name), wwi and wwii service records and place where he worked, but still not his mother's name, so here's hoping I can find that soon!

If anyone can help me with his birth record I would greatly appreciate it... I tried looking it up on findmyfamily, but I couldn't get anything. Perhaps he wasn't really born in Berkshire, and it was a typo 

[rosie99]

Hi

Welcome to rootschat 

Is this marriage entry anything to do with him 

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJ7-6PR

Ian Miller Crisp
Age:   27
Spouse's Name   Doris Murice Mcleod
Spouse's Age   30
03 Jul 1923 - Calcutta, Bengal, India
Grooms father   John Fred Crisp
Spouse's Father Percy Joseph Lancaster
Marital Status:   Single
Spouse's Marital Status:   Widowed

[KGarrad]

Welcome from me too!

From Commonwealth War Graves, Chittagong War Cemetery, Pakistan.

Crispe, W.O.II (C.S.M.) Ian Andrew Frederick Miller, 15001639.
Royal Engineers, attd. 285 Docks Operating Coy., Royal Indian Engineers
Died 6th June 1944. Age 47. Husband of Ethel Crispe of Wombwell, Yorkshire.
B.A., B.Sc.(Edin)

Maybe the university info is a clue?

[groom]

According to his First War World record he gives his mother as his next of kin in 1915, but unfortunately just records her as Mrs M Crisp. Her address then is 6, Parvatti Villa, Poona.

[ciderdrinker]

Possible father in India
John Frederick Crisp widower born 1842 married 5.4.1878 Aden Bombay Martha  Hewlett born 1850 widow.
Fathers John Frederick and William Willreham

Child Sarah Ann Jane Crisp born 4.1.1879 Aden
Robert Henry 1888
Child first marriage James Thomas 12.4.1869 Satara Bombay mother Mary Ann.
Death John Frederick Crisp 1849-20.6.1903 Sewri Bombay.Image on FindMyPast
As is a possible service record which gives him as born 1842 in Birmingham.

Ciderdrinker

[elissajeanette]

Possible father in India
John Frederick Crisp widower born 1842 married 5.4.1878 Aden Bombay Martha  Hewlett born 1850 widow.
Fathers John Frederick and William Willreham

Child Sarah Ann Jane Crisp born 4.1.1879 Aden
Robert Henry 1888
Child first marriage James Thomas 12.4.1869 Satara Bombay mother Mary Ann.
Death John Frederick Crisp 1849-20.6.1903 Sewri Bombay.

Ciderdrinker

Thank you Ciderdrinker, I will have to try to look into that. May I ask how you found that info? My grandfather doesn't seem to be listed amongst the offspring, though... Still, a place to start!

Hi

Welcome to rootschat 

Is this marriage entry anything to do with him 

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJ7-6PR


Hi,

I'm almost certain this is him, though unfortunately the record is for his first marriage. I haven't managed to find any further information on John Fred Crispe (though the family names would seem to suggest it's definitely him - my grandfather went by the nickname John and one of his middle names was Frederick).

Welcome from me too!

From Commonwealth War Graves, Chittagong War Cemetery, Pakistan.

Crispe, W.O.II (C.S.M.) Ian Andrew Frederick Miller, 15001639.
Royal Engineers, attd. 285 Docks Operating Coy., Royal Indian Engineers
Died 6th June 1944. Age 47. Husband of Ethel Crispe of Wombwell, Yorkshire.
B.A., B.Sc.(Edin)

Maybe the university info is a clue?

Hi Yes, sorry I forgot to mention in my original post that I've contacted Edinburgh University and they're looking into it. Nothing has come of it so far, and it's quite possible that the record wasn't kept.

Thank you for the welcomes!

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
Yes the  info is on Familysearch and can be seen in full at their libraries around the world.
There are also some images on Find My past apparently but that is pay to view and I haven't got that.
Looking at the index on FindMyPast John Frederick Crisp died 1903 in India is on there
as is a possible military record for a John Frederick Crisp born 1842.
A Will 1903 which should fingers crossed mention any children.

Ciderdrinker

[rosie99]

JF Crisps will in 1903 names only wife Rosine Miller Crisp

Rosine's death in 1933
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGTG-7YZ

[groom]

JF Crisps will in 1903 names only wife Rosine Miller Crisp

Rosine's death in 1933
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGTG-7YZ

Also mentions daughter Ruth, son Robert Henry and son Ian, who was to have a gold necktie pin. It also says that if his wife predeceases him his estate should be used to fund the education on any each surving child up to the age of 18 and then be split equally amongst the survivors.