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Finding First Wife of Ancestor John Daley
« on: Saturday 21 February 15 22:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi-When my ancestors John Daley (often Dailly or Daily) and Susan Boyle married in 1864 he was listed as a widower. I am trying to re-construct his past and wanted to turn to you guys to see if I got it right. John was born of Bernard Daley and Margaret Cook circa 1834 in Portabello, Midlothian.
When married in October, 1864 at Maryhill he was listed as a 30 year old widower.

I've tried to go back and reconstruct who his first wife was and what may have happened by looking at all weddings of John Daillys who married before 1864 but whose wife was not in later censuses. I came up with 3 possible brides: Mary MacCormac (1852 Dundee wedding), Margaret Ferrington (1854 wedding at Dundee) and Mary Stewart (1859 at St. Mary's in Greenock) Since he was catholic and I know his later children were baptised at St. Mary in Duntocher, I thought Stewart was the most likely. Records show that Mary died in September, 1862 at 19 years old as recorded in Dalbeth (?) She and John Daley also had a son, also John, born in September 1862 in Greenock, Renfew. There is no record of the infant John's baptism or death, but he does not appear in later census with his father. My conjecture is that John Dailly married Mary Stewart and she died in childbirth in Sept. 1862 and their son John died before he could be baptised. Not sure why no death record.

You guys are like detectives. Can you tell me:  Do you think I have this right? What did I miss?
Are there more reasonable and likely scenarios? Is there anything from her death record (attached) that I can glean? Thanks for any guidance or comments
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Re: Finding First Wife of Ancestor John Daley
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 21 February 15 22:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi jmara,
You would need to obtain the actual death certificate to confirm.

The attachment is a burial record only.

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Re: Finding First Wife of Ancestor John Daley
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 21 February 15 23:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi jmara

With the info you have included, there is this possible 1851 census entry on Ancestry. As transcribed:

Bardner Daley 51 Coal Lb b. Ireland
Margaret Daley 45 b. Ledinbargh (Edinburgh?), Midlothian
David Daley 19
John Daley 17 coal miner b. Portabella (o?), Midlothian
James Daley 13
Thomas Daley 10

Address: Drumchapel V(C?)olliery, East Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire

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Re: Finding First Wife of Ancestor John Daley
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 21 February 15 23:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Have you found John in the 1861 census? As he married for the second time in Maryhill you

could try there first. Depending when the first wife died it may list her with her place of birth :-\

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Re: Finding First Wife of Ancestor John Daley
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 21 February 15 23:10 GMT (UK) »
You don't say what John's occupation was.  Was he a coal miner?

Checking the 1861 census, there is a John Daily aged 26 born Portobello, living in Bathgate with his 25 year old wife Ann M Daily, who was born in Edinburgh.  There are two people with the name Malcolm in the same household - 19 yr old lodger James and 37 year old Janet as a visitor.

Found a marriage between John Daly & Ann Malcolm 22 Jan 1861 in Bathgate.

An Ann Daly died in Bathgate in 1862

Perhaps check it out?

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Re: Finding First Wife of Ancestor John Daley
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 21 February 15 23:31 GMT (UK) »
Do you have John's death certificate? Does it not mention his first wife?
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Re: Finding First Wife of Ancestor John Daley
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 21 February 15 23:46 GMT (UK) »
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=711157.0

To avoid reposting/ duplicating info......
All info relating to John Daley and his second wife is on above.
They emigrated to the US

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Re: Finding First Wife of Ancestor John Daley
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 21 February 15 23:56 GMT (UK) »
Yes-thank you Anne. I was in the midst of posting that I have all the information I need on John Dailly and his second wife and family. I am trying to get information on what happened with he and his first wife and (possibly) son.

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Re: Finding First Wife of Ancestor John Daley
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 22 February 15 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi-John died in Illinois, US between 1885-1890 but I can't find his death certificate. He had re-married so it likely would not have his first wife's name.

Do you have John's death certificate? Does it not mention his first wife?