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Frederick George WYNTER (c1879-1925)
« on: Monday 23 February 15 13:13 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to locate the birth of Frederick George WYNTER, a WWI soldier.

He and his family left England in August 1914 for Australia. He subsequently (on 27 Jul 1915) enlisted in the AIF, served on the Western Front, and returned to Australia in 1919. He died (of a war-related condition) on 16 Nov 1925 in Sydney.

In his service dossier, he gives his age at enlistment as 35y 11m, and his place of birth as Cantridge, Cambridgeshire. That points to a birth around Aug 1879.

He married Emma Jane (known as Jennie) DAUNTON in the Parish of Edmonton, Middlesex on 4 Apr 1904. Children were Phillip (c1908), Iris (c1912), Mary (c1915) and Phyllis (aft 1918).

He is listed in the 1911 Census, living at 3 Hinton Rd, Edmonton with Emma and Phillip. His birthplace in the Census is given as Histon, Cambridgeshire, which my map shows is about 5m NW of the centre of Cambridge. 

My problems are (1) where in Cambridgeshire is Cantridge, (2) when was Fred born, and who were his parents, and (3) was he born in Cantridge or Histon?

I can't find an obvious match for his birth in FreeBMD. I have looked under both WYNTER and WINTER (the family is listed under WINTER in the 1911 Census, and their 1914 voyage to Australia).

Any hints appreciated.

John Graham
Toowoomba, Qld 


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Re: Frederick George WYNTER (c1879-1925)
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 February 15 13:22 GMT (UK) »
A tree on Ancestry with this family has this as his birth, but the only source is from Freebmd, so they may just have grabbed the nearest they could find.

George Frederick Winter
1879 Apr-May-Jun
Richmond Surrey
Volume:   2a  Page:   350
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Re: Frederick George WYNTER (c1879-1925)
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 February 15 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Could Cantridge just be a bad transcription of Cambridge?
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Re: Frederick George WYNTER (c1879-1925)
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 February 15 13:26 GMT (UK) »
Agree with groom, probably just a badly written Cambridge.

The neighbouring village to Histon, often coupled with it, is Cottenham, but I cant see that being mistranscribed as Cantridge.

THe only birth for a Fredk George Winter on freebmd is that Richmond one. But that doesn't mean it is him!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Frederick George WYNTER (c1879-1925)
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 February 15 13:31 GMT (UK) »
At the 1904 marriage, he is Frederick Winter, a baker, age 24 and a bachelor, and gives his father as George Winter, a Provison merchant
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Frederick George WYNTER (c1879-1925)
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 February 15 13:38 GMT (UK) »
It's possible that Cantridge is a mis-spelled Cambridge, although the mis-spelling must be at least one document generation ago as the one I'm looking at is a clearly-typewritten Cantridge. It does appear in the "alternate or mis-spelled names" list on FreeBMD against Cambridge, so I think this is starting to look like the most likely explanation.

In relation to Ancestry family trees, there are a number there with Fred included. They generally agree on his death and marriage, but his birth is a bit of a lottery, hence my appeal here.

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Re: Frederick George WYNTER (c1879-1925)
« Reply #6 on: Monday 23 February 15 13:40 GMT (UK) »
Thanks lizdb, that fills in his father's name.

How did you access the marriage information to that level, if I may ask?

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Re: Frederick George WYNTER (c1879-1925)
« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 February 15 13:49 GMT (UK) »
His Army records give his place of birth as Camberwell

Father George Winter 18 Dragon Rd Camberwell

Wife Emma Jane Daunton

He was in the Army prior to marrying Emma

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WINTER   FREDERICK 1880 — 1898   Regimental & service records   Camberwell, London, Surrey, England   
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Re: Frederick George WYNTER (c1879-1925)
« Reply #8 on: Monday 23 February 15 14:24 GMT (UK) »
We won't find him in 1901 he was in South Africa.  ::)  There is no sign of his family at 18 Dragon Road in 1891 or 1901.
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