Henry John Morgan: London to Victoria to Christchurch

[fe_nyx]

So then perhaps he married Jane Elizabeth/Elizabeth Jane in Australia, as I also haven't found any record of a marriage between her and Henry in the UK.
There is a tree on ancestry that has their marriage date as Dec 26 1881 in England, but is without a source, so I am extremely hesitant to take this as fact until I see proof.

That then could mean Caroline is the mother of William Thomas, Caroline Maria/Marie and possibly Henry Charles. Although Henry was born about 5 years after Caroline. But the inclusion of the names Thomas and Caroline could be a nod to herself and her father, as families so often did.

[Lucy2]

Hi fe_nyx

We need to do further digging.   

Here is Caroline PHILLIPS' baptism (which may shed a clue as to why Henry John's daughter was so named ?)

Baptism at St Mary, Haggerston, Middlesex -- 28 May 1862

Caroline Frances PHILLIPS
Born on :   2 July 1862
Parents:   Thomas PHILLIPS (occ:  Turner)  and Maria PHILLIPS of 20 Queens Road? / Street?

[Lucy2]

Hi ... have you found Henry John MORGAN on the 1881 UK census ??

Given his occupation of "French Polisher" - and Thomas PHILLIPS (f/o Caroline Frances) being a wood turner - I wonder if Henry John MORGAN might have been in the employ of T. PHILLIPS ?

I need to look at further records.

  ~  Lu

[fe_nyx]

Ooh Maria... now that is interesting.

I wonder what happened to Henry George Morgan b1887, son of Henry and Caroline?
It would be odd if 2 years later Henry John had another son and named him Henry also.
I'm thinking either Henry George passed, OR Henry George and Henry Charles are the same man.

I'm meant to be working but this is far more interesting, so I will do some digging round today and see what I come up with.

Thank you so much for the time and effort you have all put in to this, I really appreciate it.

[fe_nyx]

No I haven't found Henry John on any census records yet. With only a rough idea of DOB and place, I came back with too many possibles, so ignored them all until I had something more concrete to go on.
I'm making a to-do list now

[Lucy2]

It's okay  ... I've found Henry John with his family.

1881
Essex - Leyton - 3 Capworth Street

MORGAN - Henry - head - married - 37 yrs - occ: French Polisher - born Middlesex

- Eliza - wife - 40 yrs - b. Bedfordshire
- Emma - dau - unmarr. - 22 Domestic servant
- Henry -  son - 19 - unmarr. - French polisher
- William - son - 16 _ errand boy
- George - son - 14 - scholar
- Thomas - son - 12  - "
- Arthur - son - 9 -    "
        ... all these above children born.  Middlesex (no place name stated)

- Arthur - son - 9
- Fred - son 7
- Albert - son 5
- Walter - son 3
- John - son - one yr.
       .... all these children born Leyton, Essex :

     

[Lucy2]

You didn't answer my earlier question re: do you have death certificate (printout) for Henry John MORGAN ??   

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

In the 1881 census return for Henry John MORGAN, you'll note a lot of familiar names (his siblings) ...
names he gave to his own children.   

   ~  Lu

[fe_nyx]

I made a note of that 1881 census record ages ago as being the family I thought most likely to be his one. But I didn't have his fathers name, so I was never sure.
I also have a note for 1871, they were in Camberwell then.

I also have a baptism record I found for Henry John, parents Henry and Eliza, just in case they did turn out to be the right family

Name:    Henry John Morgan
Record Type:    Baptism
Baptism Date:    11 Jan 1863
Father's Name:    Henry Morgan
Mother's name:    Eliza Morgan
Parish or Poor Law Union:    Islington St Mary
Borough:    Islington
Register Type:    Parish Registers

Sorry, I didn't meant to ignore your question, no I don't have his death certificate.