William Smith c1832, Parents?

[truebritmega]

well that one sounds very likely huh? ty Lady Hawk

[keyboard86]

Hi again, seeing the witnesses at the marriage of William were James & Ellen Parkes, I wondered what connection they possibly had to the couple, a marriage of a George Parkes to Mary Smith 31st January 1841 St Thomas, Dudley could be it?
Needs checking out?
Keyboard86

[truebritmega]

I think... I made the breakthrough yesterday...

On the 1851 census, 2 years before they marry, Pathenas family are all living in Windmill End Rowley Regis ( this is the same place as Windmill End, Dudley Ibelieve?...)

The marriage, shows witnesses as a James and Ellen Parkes.
In the same, 1851 Census, there is also a James and Ellen Parkes living in... Windmill End... James being listed as a Furnaceman, same trade as William

We know William was born about ... 1835...

Well I have now also found a William Smith, b 1832... Windmill End

With parents of Thomas and Hannah

Sounds highly likely huh?

[philheeks]

Hi Gang

Don't forget there are 2 Netherton's in Worcestershire one was near Dudley & the other down near Pershore the other end of the county just to throw a spanner in the works 

All the vert best

Phil

[truebritmega]

LOL... I hate you!!! (not really) and no I didnt know lol thank you

[Ladyhawk]

I think... I made the breakthrough yesterday...

On the 1851 census, 2 years before they marry, Pathenas family are all living in Windmill End Rowley Regis ( this is the same place as Windmill End, Dudley Ibelieve?...)

The marriage, shows witnesses as a James and Ellen Parkes.

In the same, 1851 Census, there is also a James and Ellen Parkes living in... Windmill End... James being listed as a Furnaceman, same trade as William

Possible connection if this is the same James & Ellen from 1851 census

1861 St Johns Street
James Parkes Head 34 Dudley, Worcestershire occ Furnace Labourer
Ellen Parkes Wife 34 Dudley, Worcestershire
Johanah Parkes Daughter 9 Dudley, Worcestershire
John Henry Parkes Son 7 Rowley, Staffordshire
Phebe Parkes Daughter 5 Rowley, Staffordshire
Henry Parkes Son 4 Rowley, Staffordshire
James Parkes Son 1 Dudley, Worcestershire
RG09 Piece/Folio:   2061 / 70

Joanna Parkes  Christening 08 Feb 1852 St Thomas Dudley Worcester
Born 12 Nov 1851
Father's Name   James Parkes Mother's Name   Ellen

from GRO indexes which gives mmn

Joanna PARKES    mmn  CARELESS     
1851 D Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 18  Page 275   

John Henry PARKES mmn CARELESS
1854  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 114

Phebe PARKES mmn CARELESS
1856  M Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 146

marriage from family search (need to check original for father's names etc...)
James Parkes to Hellen Carless 03 Nov 1850 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester

Dec 1850    Dudley    18   413 (FreeBMD)
Parkes    James
and on same page
Careless    Hellen    

Both the Smiths and Parkes married at St Thomas' Dudley and also christening their respective children there

As there's no father's name on 1853 m/c for William Smith to Parthena Carless
I think he was probably illegitmate

might this be his christening

28 Jul 1833 St Thomas Dudley Worcestershire
William Smith mother Mary Smith
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV93-HMZ

Did they name any children Mary?

[Ladyhawk]

Pheobe Careless      40-44   Worcestershire
Eliza Careless      15-19   Worcestershire
Ellen Careless      13   Worcestershire
Caroline Careless   11   Worcestershire
Patience Careless    8   Worcestershire
Henry Careless       6   Worcestershire
Benjn Careless      4   Worcestershire
Pheobe Careless      2   Worcestershire
HO107 Piece/Folio:   1196/42 page 12
from family search

Careless    Phebe  Jun 1839 Dudley    18   258 (FreeBMD)

CARELESS, PHEBE   mmn    WAKELAM      (GRO indexes)
1839  J Quarter in DUDLEY UNION  Volume 18  Page 258   

Edit

John Careless Phebe Wakeliam 14 Oct 1822 St. Thomas, Dudley, Worcester
both single

[truebritmega]

Yup... James Pakes turns out to be Helen, Pathenas sisters... husband

dont think I'll ever know "for certain2 tho, which william smith... is mine thinks thats the end of the track for my smiths