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James Guthrie Southampton
« on: Monday 16 March 15 11:44 GMT (UK) »
Hello

I'm new to researching in England, most of my lot seem to be Irish / Scottish. What I have is a mystery really.

I have James GUTHRIE born c 1856 in Montrose, Angus, Scotland
Parents are believed to be Richard GUTHRIE and Betsy BROWN- I cant find a record of his birth or him on any census with the family ?? on the 1861 census there is a John Guthrie of the correct age and the couple did have a son John but he died in July 1860. Is it possible they wrote John instead of James?
His father Richard died in 1897 in Montrose and in his will he lists his son James, Mariner in Redditch, Birmingham as on of his 3 remaining children still living.
I found him on the 1901 census in Southampton with his wife Bertha Hemming, who he married in 1888 in Redditch, looking after his recently deceased sisters daughter Nellie M Whele. He gives his occupation as Mariner.
I have him, his wife and his niece on the 1911 census, he is living at 31 Foundry Lane, Freemantle, Southampton, and lists his occupation as Mariner. This tells me he and Bertha never had any children of their own.
I have a death in the March quarter of 1917 of a James Guthrie in Southampton from FreeBDM but I don't know how to get the death certificate to clarify his parentage of how to find where he was buried.
The only real evidence I have linking him to the family if the mention in Richards Will and the fact that on the Census he detail Nellie M Whele as hi niece. Nellie was the child of Richards daughter Helen( Nelly) Guthrie and William Whele a commercial Traveller born in England. Helen drank herself to death in Montrose in 1898.
I cannot find a birth or any census entries for James before 1901.

Any help you can give me would be appreciated
Thank you  :)
Greenock-Williamson,Guthrie,McIlhagga,Morris,McPherson
Lanarkshire-Reid,Bennett/Bennard,Stewart, Miller,Brown,Jamieson,McGregor,Davidson, Paterson,Anderson,Allister,Renwick,Shearer.
Stirling-Guthrie,Coutts.
Montrose-Guthrie,Brown,
Arbroath-Smith,Adam,Garland,Esplin,Davdison, Fender,Moncur
AyrshireRankin,McDickens,Bennard/Bennett,Carrick,Russell.
Ireland-Williamson,Galbraith,McIlhagga,Adrain. Bennard.
Fife-Brown,Williamson
Whitburn-Brown,Smart,Martin
Staffordshire-Abbiss,Oakley,Morris,Southall

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Re: James Guthrie Southampton
« Reply #1 on: Monday 16 March 15 12:07 GMT (UK) »
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I have a death in the March quarter of 1917 of a James Guthrie in Southampton from FreeBDM but I don't know how to get the death certificate to clarify his parentage of how to find where he was buried.

You can get the certificate from the GRO  http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Unfortunately English death certificates wont tell you anything about parents or burials.
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Re: James Guthrie Southampton
« Reply #2 on: Monday 16 March 15 12:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Why do you believe that his mother's name was Betsy Brown?
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Re: James Guthrie Southampton
« Reply #3 on: Monday 16 March 15 12:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Why do you believe that his mother's name was Betsy Brown?
Thanks
Jeff

She was the mother of all Richards children, they were married for 50 years so I just assumed really. that's why I'm looking for something to clarify James' paternity
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I have a death in the March quarter of 1917 of a James Guthrie in Southampton from FreeBDM but I don't know how to get the death certificate to clarify his parentage of how to find where he was buried.

You can get the certificate from the GRO  http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Unfortunately English death certificates wont tell you anything about parents or burials.

Ah I see, its bit different from Scottish certificates then.
Would I be better to order his marriage certificate? Will it list his parents names?

Thanks for your help :)
 
Greenock-Williamson,Guthrie,McIlhagga,Morris,McPherson
Lanarkshire-Reid,Bennett/Bennard,Stewart, Miller,Brown,Jamieson,McGregor,Davidson, Paterson,Anderson,Allister,Renwick,Shearer.
Stirling-Guthrie,Coutts.
Montrose-Guthrie,Brown,
Arbroath-Smith,Adam,Garland,Esplin,Davdison, Fender,Moncur
AyrshireRankin,McDickens,Bennard/Bennett,Carrick,Russell.
Ireland-Williamson,Galbraith,McIlhagga,Adrain. Bennard.
Fife-Brown,Williamson
Whitburn-Brown,Smart,Martin
Staffordshire-Abbiss,Oakley,Morris,Southall


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Re: James Guthrie Southampton
« Reply #4 on: Monday 16 March 15 12:40 GMT (UK) »
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Would I be better to order his marriage certificate? Will it list his parents names?

Only his father's name and occupation I'm afraid.
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Re: James Guthrie Southampton
« Reply #5 on: Monday 16 March 15 12:52 GMT (UK) »
James Guthrie left a will:

James Guthrie, 31, Foundry Lane, Southampton died 6th March 1917. Probate granted to Robery Hemming, manufacturer and John Ladbury, clerk. Effects £395. Do those names mean any thing?

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
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Re: James Guthrie Southampton
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 March 15 10:08 GMT (UK) »
James Guthrie left a will:

James Guthrie, 31, Foundry Lane, Southampton died 6th March 1917. Probate granted to Robery Hemming, manufacturer and John Ladbury, clerk. Effects £395. Do those names mean any thing?

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Thanks for this, Hemming was his wife Bertha's maiden name so I'm sure its the right James Guthrie. I have ordered a copy hopefully it will have something useful in it.

Thank you all for your help :)
Greenock-Williamson,Guthrie,McIlhagga,Morris,McPherson
Lanarkshire-Reid,Bennett/Bennard,Stewart, Miller,Brown,Jamieson,McGregor,Davidson, Paterson,Anderson,Allister,Renwick,Shearer.
Stirling-Guthrie,Coutts.
Montrose-Guthrie,Brown,
Arbroath-Smith,Adam,Garland,Esplin,Davdison, Fender,Moncur
AyrshireRankin,McDickens,Bennard/Bennett,Carrick,Russell.
Ireland-Williamson,Galbraith,McIlhagga,Adrain. Bennard.
Fife-Brown,Williamson
Whitburn-Brown,Smart,Martin
Staffordshire-Abbiss,Oakley,Morris,Southall