Dear all,My gggrandmother was Margaret Lloyd b.~1824 in Llanbedr.She also had a sister Elizabeth b.~1820 who was also b.Llanbedr and married David Jones(stone mason) b.Llanuwchllyn.On the 1861 W census living at Doldanowen Llanbedr are:David Jones 32,Elizabeth 41,Margaret 11,John 9,Gwen 7,David 3,Elizabeth 0 and Margaret Lloyd 78 mother in law and widow of Jno Lloyd tailor.I believe the parents of Margaret b.1824 and Elizabeth b.~1820 were John Lloyd and Margaret(Davies?).There was a John Lloyd b.~1780 Llanbedr with parents Robert Lloyd 1758-1781 and Lowry Williams b.1760(parents William Robert b.1740 and Gaenor).Robert and Lowry married in 1780 Llanbedr and they also had a daughter Ann(e) Lloyd b.~1782 Llanbedr. married Erasmus Lloyd(parents Erasmus and Elizabeth Jones who married in 1787) .Ann and Erasmus married in 1808 in Llanfair and had children John b.1811,Ann b.1813,David b.1812,and Evan 1815-1892.Evan b.1815 married Jane Ellis(1814-1872) in Festinog in 1845.The children of Evan and Jane were:Catherine 1847-1862,Anne 1848-1902,Jane 1850-1909,Robert E b.1852 and Evan b.1853.Evan b.1815 married again to Elin Lloyd in 1873 and they had children:John Howell Lloyd 1872-,Gaynor 1877,John 1880,and William E b.~1884....The parents of Robert Lloyd b.~1758 were John Lloyd 1708-1781 and Jane Humphrey(s) died 1783.The children of John Lloyd and Jane Humphreys were:Edward d.1781,Elizabeth d.1827(married Griffith Jones),Evan d,1781,Margaret 1738-1776(married Edward Lloyd),Dorothy 1743-1816(married Ellis prees Jones),Humphrey 1745-1781,Richard 1748-1792(married Gwen Griffith)Catherine 1753-1763,Robert 1758-1781,and John 1761-1832....Finally I believe the parents of John Lloyd b.~1708 were Edward b.1681(and Dorothy?).I would be very interested to hear from anyone who has a connection with this Lloyd family and if there is any connection with this family and David Lloyd George's ancestors ..kind regards to all Ivorglyn