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New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« on: Tuesday 24 March 15 01:10 GMT (UK) »
I had a great breakthrough with my husbands Family this week I found a page that I believe his Uncle gave me in the 90's but I forgot I had it. I have always had an interest but only started to research a couple of years ago and have really been focusing on my own family.
Anyway the info on the page included 

James Wall and Mary Healy had 4 known children.

William Wall c.1861 he married Ellen Maher (parents Biddy St John and Michael Maher). Found a possible match in Urlingford reg 1883, have sent for cert. this man is my husbands GGDad.
Thomas married Mary Teehan
Larry or Harry can't read that one no spouse noted.
Nellie married Tom Fitzpatrick

After much searching I found some records I believe/hope are correct

I found William and Ellen I think on 1901 census as 'Walle' in Gorteen Upper, Buolick http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Buolick/Gorteen_Upper/1721012/.
 my page gives their family as James, Michael, Thomas and William (gdad 1866-1971), Mary and Bridget and I know William lived around Ballingarry when he was young and Two-Mile Borris after marriage, so the general area is about right?

I found a possibility for Thomas Wall in Blackcommon on Census, http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Buolick/Gorteen_Upper/833849/

 not an exact match for children, (I have Beatrice, Kathleen, Grace Agnes, Florence, Mai) but close enough not to discount yet and a possible marriage in 1883 in Kilkenny I have also sent for that Cert.

I can't find anything to match Nellie and Tom Fitzpatrick. The children written on my page for them are Maggie, Bridget,Ellen, Michael.

Any help finding them or anyone have any connections to this family I would be grateful for any help.
 My husband is useless, I know more than him from chatting to his Mum and Uncle but they had both passed away before I really took this seriously.
Thanks for reading.
M




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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 09:20 GMT (UK) »
Tried to find Nellie and from what I can figure out she'd be about 10 in 1901 wouldn't she??
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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 10:49 GMT (UK) »
Original links mislabelled I think

1901 Census return for William and his family
1911 Census return for William and his family
The 1911 return states they were married 28 years implying c1883 which ties in with your Urlingford find
They had six children of which all were still living
From two census they are:
1 c1884 James b Nov 18 1883
2 Michael b April 06 1885 not shown on census
3 c1887 Thomas b Dec 10 1886
4 c1891 William b Dec 25 1888
5 c1893 Bridget b Jul 12 1890
6 c1895 Mary b Aug 09 1893

1901 Census return for Thomas and his family
1911 Census return for Thomas and his family
The 1911 return states they were married 29 years implying c1882
There is a possible marriage in KILKENNY 1883 Q1 V3 P405 Thomas WALL=Mary FEEHAN/TEEHAN
They had nine children in 1911 of which all were still living
1 c1884 Mary Josephine ka Mae b Jan 02 1884 - c1960
2 c1886 Florence Adelaide b Dec 20 1885 - d Jan 20 1961 Clonmel
3 c1888 Bertha Evalina b Jun 14 1887 d Canada date unknown
4 c1890 Esther Emily b Jan 05 1889 d c1932 London
5 c1892 Albert James m 1920 Bridget CORKERY Canada d 1952 Ca USA
6 c1894 Mable Una Kathleen ka Kathleen b Oct 11 1891 d Jan 24 1986 Tipperary
7 c1896 Martha Teresa/Agatha Teresa b Nov 02 1893 d Jul 23 1973 m Timothy John O'DWYER
8 c1898 Veronica Laura ka Dolly b Jan 06 1896 d Jun 24 1915 Tipperary
9 c1900 Grace Helen b Oct 26 1897 d Nov 17 1967 Tipperary

edited to add additional information located on family trees already on line
all require confirmation
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder


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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 11:04 GMT (UK) »
There is a birth on October 29 1864
in Kilcooly, Tipperary
of a Laurence WALLE
to James WALLE and Mary FitzPATRICK
which may or may not be connected - could James' wife name be incorrect as HEALY?
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 11:07 GMT (UK) »
might be Williams son William in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Buolick/Gortnahoe/833872/
1918 ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMQV-YSG

''Also known as'' usually indicates the persons next of kin
cant find any other William son of William in Tipperary in 1901, worth checking out.


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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 12:57 GMT (UK) »
I had a great breakthrough with my husbands Family this week I found a page that I believe his Uncle gave me in the 90's but I forgot I had it. I have always had an interest but only started to research a couple of years ago and have really been focusing on my own family.
Anyway the info on the page included 

James Wall and Mary Healy had 4 known children.

William Wall c.1861 he married Ellen Maher (parents Biddy St John and Michael Maher). Found a possible match in Urlingford reg 1883, have sent for cert. this man is my husbands GGDad.
Thomas married Mary Teehan
Larry or Harry can't read that one no spouse noted.
Nellie married Tom Fitzpatrick

I can't find anything to match Nellie and Tom Fitzpatrick. The children written on my page for them are Maggie, Bridget,Ellen, Michael.
A marriage for Ellen Walle in civil reg. index Callan reg district 1874 vol 4 page 581 and Thomas Fitzpatrick on same page - a probability?
annclare

Also two birth/baptisms of possible children on Family search https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5TX-TXT

Is this the correct generation?
annclare
rootsireland has baptisms for 10 children from 1875 -1897 of Thomas Fitzpatrick collier and Ellen Wall in Ballingarry parish
Possibly the Fitzpatrick family in 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Farranrory/Black_Common/1692779/
as these match names on baptismal records.
annclare
Marriage Thomas Wall with Mary Teehan on same page.

First name(s)   Thomas
Last name   Wall
Registration year   1883
Registered Quarter/Year   Jan - Mar 1883
Registration district   Kilkenny
Volume   3
Page   405
County   -
MarriageFinder™   Thomas Wall married one of these people
Mary Teehan, Mary Feehan.
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Tuohy/Toohey,Gorman, Purcell, Fanning- Holycross Tipperary