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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 14:27 GMT (UK) »


James Wall and Mary Healy had 4 known children.

William Wall c.1861 he married Ellen Maher (parents Biddy St John and Michael Maher). Found a possible match in Urlingford reg 1883, have sent for cert. this man is my husbands GGDad.
After much searching I found some records I believe/hope are correct
I found William and Ellen I think on 1901 census as 'Walle' in Gorteen Upper, Buolick http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Buolick/Gorteen_Upper/1721012/.
 my page gives their family as James, Michael, Thomas and William (gdad 1866-1971), Mary and Bridget and I know William lived around Ballingarry when he was young and Two-Mile Borris after marriage, so the general area is about right?

I found a possibility for Thomas Wall in Blackcommon on Census, http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Buolick/Gorteen_Upper/833849/

Roots ireland has Births/baptisms of 6 children of William Wall (letter carrier) and Ellen Maher in Gurteen from 1883-1893 The names match the 1901 census record you have got.
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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 14:35 GMT (UK) »
Larry
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Farranrory/Black_Common/1692769/

based on found by dathai

Laurence WALL of Commons (f) James
married
Julia HACKETT
on Jul 23 1893
They had a daughter Mary on Aug 10 1896 and a son James on Mar 18 1898
Julia died on Jun 05 1899 aged 33 of placenta previa/cardiac failure

This could be them on the 1911 census as boarders
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Tried to find Nellie and from what I can figure out she'd be about 10 in 1901 wouldn't she??

Nellies brother was born about 1861 so I figure she must be adult in 1901.
M
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Sinnott 2 families Ardcavan Wexford/USA and Boolaboy.
Cullen Ballyknockan  Wexford/ USA
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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 20:59 GMT (UK) »
Original links mislabelled I think
 
Sorry if I mislabelled link. How well you did My Luck thank you so much.


edited to add additional information located on family trees already on line
all require confirmation


How do I go about finding online trees are they on sites that you are a member of?
M
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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 21:26 GMT (UK) »
There is a birth on October 29 1864
in Kilcooly, Tipperary
of a Laurence WALLE
to James WALLE and Mary FitzPATRICK
which may or may not be connected - could James' wife name be incorrect as HEALY?

Yes its possible that it is incorrect. I am also unsure if it says Larry or Harry. It was written in pencil and is a bit faded. Wish I had asked more at the time.

Thanks very much I will keep it and see what it leads to.
M
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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 21:42 GMT (UK) »
might be Williams son William in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Buolick/Gortnahoe/833872/
1918 ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMQV-YSG

''Also known as'' usually indicates the persons next of kin
cant find any other William son of William in Tipperary in 1901, worth checking out.

Yet again Thank you Dathai, I just got home from work at 21.00 and am having a great time reading all this great information. I know that could be him on the census, certainly a good candidate but how to know?
Regarding the other link now that is very interesting. He was in the 1st world war. I have not been able to find any records that I was sure were his but maybe he lied about his age. I am not sure about the deserting, he had an army pension and his house was also something to do with the army would he have got those if he deserted. My husbands Aunt also told me her dad joined the Army to avoid going down the mines, he had a medal and he fought in France.
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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 22:00 GMT (UK) »




A marriage for Ellen Walle in civil reg. index Callan reg district 1874 vol 4 page 581 and Thomas Fitzpatrick on same page - a probability?
annclare
Thank you very much Annclare, that looks good,I will send for that cert

Also two birth/baptisms of possible children on Family search https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5TX-TXT

Is this the correct generation?

annclare
rootsireland has baptisms for 10 children from 1875 -1897 of Thomas Fitzpatrick collier and Ellen Wall in Ballingarry parish
Ballingarry is certainly somewhere my motherin law talked about and there was some history of mining in the family, so looking good me thinks. Cant wait for those wedding certs to arrive. Thanks for your time and effort for me I do appreciate it.
M

Possibly the Fitzpatrick family in 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Farranrory/Black_Common/1692779/
as these match names on baptismal records.
annclare
Marriage Thomas Wall with Mary Teehan on same page.

First name(s)   Thomas
Last name   Wall
Registration year   1883
Registered Quarter/Year   Jan - Mar 1883
Registration district   Kilkenny
Volume   3
Page   405
County   -
MarriageFinder™   Thomas Wall married one of these people
Mary Teehan, Mary Feehan.
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Re: New info on my Wall family just gives me more questions.
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 24 March 15 22:12 GMT (UK) »
Larry
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Farranrory/Black_Common/1692769/

based on found by dathai

Laurence WALL of Commons (f) James
married
Julia HACKETT
on Jul 23 1893
They had a daughter Mary on Aug 10 1896 and a son James on Mar 18 1898
Julia died on Jun 05 1899 aged 33 of placenta previa/cardiac failure

This could be them on the 1911 census as boarders

Very interesting myluck thank you. I just took out my presious page to check for faded (its in pencil) writing in case anything written by Larry but nothingthe father and area are right so very distinct possibility.

Thanks again to everyone for all the information.
M
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Cormac Tipperary
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