James Pryde

[Citizen Smith]

I'm having trouble finding a birth for James Pryde born circa 1853 in Inveresk, Musselburgh, Midlothian.

His parents are Robert Pryde and Grace Wilkie.

His wife No 1 is Jemima Brown and wife no 2 is Rose Ann McMahon.

I have him on 1901 Census living with his 13 year old son Archibald at 17 New Street Musselburgh.

I have him on 1881 Census living with his wife Jemima and children Jane, Grace, James and Robert at 205 Eskside in Musselburgh.

I can't find him on the 1891 Census (wife No 1 Jemima died in 1890)

I have his death certificate - in 1903 died Inveresk Poorhouse.

Any ideas on his birth? All the census returns say he was born Musselburgh but I can't find any evidence.

Thanks

Sarah

[anne_p]

1891:
15 Chalmer's Buildings, Leith South
   
Name   Age
James Pryde   38 Carter b Inveresk
Jane Pryde   16  Dau b Inveresk
Grace Pryde   14 Dau B Inveresk
James Pryde   14 Son, Rope Spinner b Inveresk
Robert Pryde   11 son, B Inveresk
Agnes Pryde   9 Dau b Inveresk
Archibald Pryde   3 Son B Inveresk

Edit:
I suspect that this is him with his parents in 1861 at High St, Fisherow, Inveresk
( Robert Pryde and Grace Wilkie married 9 Dec 1845 Inveresk with Misselburgh)

   
Robert Pride   39 Mason and Fireman b Queensferry, Linlithgow
Grace Pride   39 b Inveresk
Archibald Pride   14
Robert Pride   10
James Pride   8 ****
William Pride   5
Margaret Pride   2

All children b Inveresk

Same family at 1871 38 New St, Musselburgh, Inveresk
   
Name   Age
Robert Pryde   49
Grace Pryde   49
James Pryde   29 *****
William Pryde   17
Margaret Pryde   13
Marion Pryde   10
Thomas Pryde   3


1881 33 New St, Musselburgh  Inveresk   
Name   Age
Robert Pryde   57
Grace Pryde   57
Mary Pryde   19
Thomas Pryde   13


1891 21 New St Musselburgh, Inveresk   
Name   Age
Robert Pryde   67
Grace Pryde   67
Thomas Pryde   21

[Citizen Smith]

Thanks for that info - it fills in quite a few gaps.

 I think the reason I can't get a birt cert on SP might be down to the spelling of the name.

Also, Jemima, the first wife, was born in South Leith so I suspect he and his children might be getting supported by her family in 1891. That would explain the temporary change of location.

Will keep trying on the birth!

[ev]

Hi Sarah ,

Unfortunately it may be that there is no birth record for James.
The Old Parish Records are not complete -

Old Parish Register Records (OPRs)

ScotlandsPeople have indexed all the parish records available and they are searchable from their site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk  The cost of searching and viewing images is the same as above.

The keeping of the records was down to the local parish, there was no pre-printed formats or prescribed methods.  This means the information over time and parishes is variable, and that's when it exists!  In general you will get a father's name, often a mother's name including maiden name (notably, a number of parishes only lists father) occasionally a residence and or occupation.

This link www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/research/list-of-oprs.html will show you what year coverage there is for different parishes. They are grouped by county and each county will give you the parish file numbers.

I've noticed in the parishes I'm interested in, the IGI has only a patchy coverage of what is available.  So definitely try to get a film through a local LDS centre.  There are many Family and Local History Centres (FHS & LHS) around Scotland who are tremendously helpful and may have indexed - it is worth googling to find them or some will be in the county boards here.

ev

[anne_p]

The births of all the other children born to this couple can be found on Family Search and all born/baptised in Inveresk.
James seems to be the only one missing from the list

[Citizen Smith]

Yes. For whatever reason James's birth doesn't seem to have been registered. From the information on the marriage, death certificates as well as the census returns, it is consistently the same age so I guess he was born between 1852-54. I can't find a listing for a James Pryde born anywhere else around this time and it seems unlikely that he would be born elsewhere.

Thanks for all your help, it's been great.

Sarah