Local Knowlege please - St Werburgh and St Alkmund in Derby

[Trees]

I have just started to help a cousin with his tree and it has taken me to Derbyshire an area which I sadly know very little about.
I wonder can anyone tell me how close are St Werburgh and St Alkmund in Derby?
My problem is in finding the parents of a George SMITH born about 1825.
I have him on the 1851 census in St Alkmund HO107/2142 fo322 p28  and see he was a brickmaker.
On the 1841 census HO107/199 /18 fo33 p13 There is a George a15 year old  brickmaker in St Werburgh. Is it possible to be him?
My next big problem is that on his marriage 2 Oct 1847 in St Alkmunds he says his father was George but the family on the 1841 census is headed by a Joshuah Smith.
BUT the first three Smiths are bracketed together and the last 4 also bracketed together which makes me think they are not one family  possibly 4 brothers living with an Uncle?? So was the father of the last 4 a George?
I only have the bare bones of the marriage from An..ry selected Derbyshire marriages. Is it possible some one can check the actual entry for me to see if he father's occupation is given and what address George was living at? both these things may be helpful in leading to his parents.
Its a big ask i know and I have fingers crossed that some one can help its a long way to Derby from here.
Many thanks
Trees

[KGarrad]

Found this on GenUKI:

In 1984, St Werburgh ecclesiastical parish merged with St. Alkmund's.

So, obviously adjacent parishes?


Also:

St. Alkmund's church, rebuilt in 1846, at a cost of above £10,000, is a handsome and commodious edifice, with a tower and spire at the western end 207 feet in height; it has accommodation for 1,250 persons. The living is a vicarage*, value £300, in the patronage of the Rev. E. H. Abney. St. Werburgh's stands on an old site. It has a fine Gothic tower. The old church frequently suffered from its nearness to the Markeaton brook: in 1601 the tower fell, and in 1698 the church itself fell, but was rebuilt in 1708. The living is a vicarage*, value £312, in the patronage of the lord chancellor.

Again, linking the 2 churches closely together.

[Trees]

Many thanks so that makes my theory that the George on the 1851 census was infact the George on the 1841 census
Now i wonder how I can sort out the relationships of the Smiths on that 1841 census .i feel the William, Joshua ,George and Henry were brothers, and as I know George was son of a George   I have failed to find a Jeshua born about 1822  as son of a George or indeed any of them as sons of a George so was Joshua about 1789 a brother of the mysterious George?  I think is my next step is to find the parents of  Joshuah 1789
I wonder was George also a Brick Maker were they from that area of Derby?
More questions to play with.

[Trees]

oh no it isn't the George I want  Serves me right for jumping straight in . I have now found all the young people on that 1841 census baptised to Joshuah and Judith except for Henry who was baptised to the single mother Elizabeth who is also on the census. Agrr SMITHS i really lov em but!!

Why were the first three bracketed together and the SITH surname repeated for William with "Do" for the surname of judith and Ekizabeth and the younger sons and the grand son?

Who was George born 1825 Derby son of George ?

What were the groom and father's occupationon the marriage.

Where was the right George in 1841 can anyone see him?
oh dear SMITHS!!

[Trees]

I am still half thinking tat the George in 1841 is right he had so many children with the same names as the Joshuah /Judith family ..including a Joshuah and of course there is the occupation matching. The only place i have his father named as George is on a transcription of his first marriage
I need to know exactly what the two marriage records say. I will ask my cousin to send for both certificates but that will take a bit of time, I would be very grateful is anyone can look at the registers for me.
2 Oct 1847    St Alkmund's Church, Derby
The second wedding was in Nottingham so I will ask on that board too

[spendlove]

Hi,

on familysearch there is a christening of George Smith 9.8.1824 St. Werburgh son of Joshua & Judith.

There is also the following:-

George Smith Christened 12.1.1822 St. Alkmund  son of George & Elizabeth
George Smith Burial  15.1.1822   St. Alkmund. Age 0
Then
George Smith christened  christened 21.10.1823 St. Alkmund son of George & Elizabeth.

Could this be your George?

Spendlove

[Trees]

I wonder could it be possible that the fathers Joshua and George were brothers I'll have a dig about for them. many thanks

[Trees]

Chasing the children of George and Elizabeth suggested by spendlove
I find
George Smith m Elizabeth Harrison 1809 St Alkmunds
Children baptised in St Alkmunds to George and Elizabeth SMITh
James 1810
George 1813
Marianne 1815
Robert 1816
Rebecca 22 May 1818
John 22 Aug 1818
May Ann 1821
George 12 Jan 1822-15 Jan 1822
Thomas Nov 1822
Fanney 21 Oct 1823
George 21 Oct 1823
Thomas 22 Feb 1824


Looking at the hishlighted children this looks like at lease two separate families and were Fanney and George twins? Any Idea how I can sort them out and can anyone see another George /Elizabeth marriage please?

[spendlove]

Hi,

looking on the 1841 Census, have found Fanny born 1823 still at home with her Parents
Smith George   50    Stockinger  (he would be a Frame Work Knitter)
"     Betsy         55
"     Job            20   Transcribed as Joh
"    Fanny         17

St. Alkmunds
 Piece 199
Book:    5
Folio:       8
Page Number 12

Spendlove