Great Trish but leaves the question have i got the wrong Goerge and Harriet after all ?
If Joshua's George married a Harriet and he was we know a Brick maker is the 1851 census for him after all? Is Harriet Bailey a red Herring?
What we know
Harriet Bailey had an Illegitimate child in 1846 Alfonso baptised 05 Jul 1846 died Q3 1846
Harriet Bailey married George SMITH son of George SMITH 2 Oct 1847 St Alkmund
Harriet Bailey was born 1824 her George 1825
George SMITH, Father Joshua married Harriett BARROWCLIFF, 12 May 1849, Saint Werburgh, Derby, Derbyshire
Joshua and Judith's George was baptised 9 Aug 1824 in St Werburgh
He is with Josh. in 1841 a Brick Maker
The 1851 census HO107/2142 fo322 p28 Derby St Alkmund
sch:135 Leaper Street Court 2
George SMITH 27 Brick Maker from Derby so could be St Alkmund or St Werburgh born 1824 his Harriet was 25 from Matlock so born 1826
They had Emela SMITH age 2 and Samuel 3 weeks old
An Harriet died Q1 1859 Derby district no age given
A George SMITH married Clara WEBSTER 20 Feb 1860 in Sneinton Nottingham
An Elizabeth Eliza Smith born 22 Jan 1860 was baptised in St Alkmund 10 Nov 1869 the same day as Joshua Arthur, George Herbert and William All children of George and Clara.
George and Clara are on the 1861 census RG 9/2497 fo34 p22 27 Watson Street St Alkmunds
George is 36 a Gas fitter from Derby so born 1825 with them are Emma aged 11 and Samuel aged 10 Harriet age 8George aged 5 and Eliza who was 1
It looks like Emma was the Emela and the Samuel is the same one on the 1841 census But the occupation has changed quite dramatically other wise it looks like the same couple.
My interest is through John Henry SMITH born 1874 who is with the widowed Clara , Joshua A George H and Clara A in 1891RG12/2430 fo133 p27
Phew I think that sums it up but was it Joshuah and Judith 's George and his Harriet that married Clara? was Harriet Bailey a red herring?
I still need the Clara marriage details don't i unless we can follow the other George and Harriet a bit more.
I still think the Brick Maker is the one who went on to marry Clara
It looks like the George son og George and Elizabeth has married Harriet Boailey but what proof is there that it was Harriet Bailey who had Emma and Samuel and sied in 1859 that could have been Harriet BARROWCLIFF.
George SMITH, Father Joshua married Harriett BARROWCLIFF, 12 May 1849, Saint Werburgh,
Emma and Samuel are born after that marriage
Oh now I am favouring my George to be Joshuah and Judith's again
Many thanks for all your interest I can feel a trip to Derby coming on... but when that is the problem.
