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Re: Alexander Ingram (c1793) Watchmaker of Abergavenny
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 02 May 15 14:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Malcolm,

It is possible that the Robert Ingram mentioned in the Merlin was Alexander's brother, not his father. The NLW have an 1831 will for John Ingram, watchmaker in Abergavenny.  His beneficiaries were his children, possibly listed in order of birth: John, Alexander, Jennet, Jane, Robert and Thomas. 

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f8o/

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Re: Alexander Ingram (c1793) Watchmaker of Abergavenny
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 02 May 15 17:14 BST (UK) »
A bit more on that will:
Family Search & FreeReg show the following entries from the Abergavenny Register

1796 Jennet Jane bpt 12 Dec (of Rother St) (married Philip Price, a grocer, 1822 Abergavenny)
1796 Robert bpt 12 Dec (of Rother St)
1799 Thomas bpt 28 Aug (of Frogmore Street)
1805 Jane bpt 8 Feb.  Her parents were recorded as John Ingram, High Street, Abergavenny, & Sarah Perkins, possibly Jane was illegitimate.

1831 John Ingram was buried 12 April Abergavenny

1838 May 12: Alexander Ingram, widower, a watchmaker of Frogmore St, Abergavenny married Jane Roid of Llwyndu.  His father was John Ingram, a watchmaker.  Her father was Thomas Roid, a farmer.  Witnesses; Chas Richd Philipps & Wm Williams.



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Re: Alexander Ingram (c1793) Watchmaker of Abergavenny
« Reply #11 on: Monday 04 May 15 20:11 BST (UK) »
diplodicus, these Ingram watchmakers of yours are so interesting!  They are also well documented. 

John, I suspect to be the eldest who set up in business in Cardiff had a grandson, also named John who accompanied his own son, Ernest to the South African Wars. John ended up in hospital in Matabeleland and wrote several interesting letters home, published in the Welsh Newspapers Online. There is also a postcard addressed to him in Mashonland on Google Images, as well as a fine timepiece made by John Ingram of Cardiff.

I wondered if you have seen this entry from    Clockmakers & Watchmakers of Scotland 1453 – 1900, page 152, author: Donald White 2005

INGRAM, John, Clock  & Watchmaker, baptised 23 Mar 1753 at Cairnie, near Huntly, Aberdeenshire, son of James & Janet Ingram of Whitestones Farm.  May have beeen apprenticed in Scotland.  Brother of Alexander Ingram (1751 – 1829), of Leith, Midlothiaan, author and mathematician, who left him money and his library.  Married Ann and had children at Cairnie, before moving to Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales, about 1796, and worked there until his death in 1831.  Four sons became clockmakers in Abergavenny and Cardiff.

Alexander Ingram's will can be downloaded from http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
If you haven't used the site before you will need to purchase credits to view the record.

Also this site has interesting background:
http://mongenes.org.uk/Epidemics%20%26%20Sanitation/epidemicsandsani.html

Looks like you not only need to cross Offa's Dyke but also Hadrian's Wall!!

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Re: Alexander Ingram (c1793) Watchmaker of Abergavenny
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 11:16 BST (UK) »
Br1gau,

As my eldest granddaughter would say, thank you soooooooo much! At last, and thanks to you, I can now connect the Ingrams back to Aberdeenshire where, it would seem, they were a family of some substance. That makes a pleasant change from the long and noble of line of AgLabs who form most of my tree.

Three weeks ago, "Ingram" only appeared once in my tree. Now there are over seventy plus all the offspring of the Ingram females!

I will post any other "nuggets" should I uncover them. Do I yet need a passport for Deeside?

Malcolm
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
Vincent: Fressingfield, Suffolk, Stockton & Sunderland.
Murtha/Murtaugh: Dundalk & Sunderland
Ingram: Cairnie by Huntly, Scotland then Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
Bardouleau: London - in memory of my stepmother Annie Rose née Bardouleau who put up with a lot from me.
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Re: Alexander Ingram (c1793) Watchmaker of Abergavenny
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 06 May 15 20:48 BST (UK) »
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1838 May 12: Alexander Ingram, widower, a watchmaker of Frogmore St, Abergavenny married Jane Roid of Llwyndu

Just in case you didn't follow the four newspaper links in BeiGau's earlier post ..

Alexander Ingram, charged with neglecting to maintain his wife, Jane, and allowing her to become chargeable to the parish. It was proved that Mr Ingram was willing and had always paid her 3s. per week but she wanted 3s. 6d. He eventualy paid 7s. for a fortnight due, and is to allow her in future 3s. 6d. per week. Mrs Ingram kept the court in continual laughter by her observation to Mr Baker, the attorney for her husband.
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
Vincent: Fressingfield, Suffolk, Stockton & Sunderland.
Murtha/Murtaugh: Dundalk & Sunderland
Ingram: Cairnie by Huntly, Scotland then Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
Bardouleau: London - in memory of my stepmother Annie Rose née Bardouleau who put up with a lot from me.
gedmatch.com A006809
Kit uploaded to familytreedna.com B171041
Y-DNA R-M269 & mtDNA U5b1f

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Re: Alexander Ingram (c1793) Watchmaker of Abergavenny
« Reply #14 on: Monday 11 May 15 22:01 BST (UK) »
Just in case you're intrested, I have started a thread on Alexander Ingram - mathematician of Leith (grandfather of this Alexander) on the Midlothian pages here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=720282.0

Malcolm
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
Vincent: Fressingfield, Suffolk, Stockton & Sunderland.
Murtha/Murtaugh: Dundalk & Sunderland
Ingram: Cairnie by Huntly, Scotland then Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
Bardouleau: London - in memory of my stepmother Annie Rose née Bardouleau who put up with a lot from me.
gedmatch.com A006809
Kit uploaded to familytreedna.com B171041
Y-DNA R-M269 & mtDNA U5b1f

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Re: Alexander Ingram (c1793) Watchmaker of Abergavenny
« Reply #15 on: Monday 11 May 15 22:18 BST (UK) »
I found it thank you, but Malcolm, re-reading the Welsh Will for Alexander's father, John Ingram and the entry quoted from the Watchmaker's and Clockmakers of Scotland, isn't his grandfather James?  The Alexander Ingram, mathematician in Leith is referred to as John's brother in the entry.  He is therefore your Alexander's uncle.

I hope you left a little more than 3/6d behind for housekeeping when you left for Scotland ;D

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Re: Alexander Ingram (c1793) Watchmaker of Abergavenny
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 12 May 15 16:48 BST (UK) »
Thanks for spotting my silly mistake. My tree is corrected.

Whitestone Farm is still on the Ordnance Survey, about five miles west of Aberdeen on the A944 at GR808069.
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
Vincent: Fressingfield, Suffolk, Stockton & Sunderland.
Murtha/Murtaugh: Dundalk & Sunderland
Ingram: Cairnie by Huntly, Scotland then Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
Bardouleau: London - in memory of my stepmother Annie Rose née Bardouleau who put up with a lot from me.
gedmatch.com A006809
Kit uploaded to familytreedna.com B171041
Y-DNA R-M269 & mtDNA U5b1f

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Re: Alexander Ingram (c1793) Watchmaker of Abergavenny
« Reply #17 on: Friday 20 July 18 13:03 BST (UK) »
My late mother was an Ingram and I’m related to the clockmakers in Abergavenny

I was doing some research and I discovered this site.

Best wishes