Alexander Jollie, Shipmaster, Montrose, died 1778

[RoserAncestors]

I am working on a family tree for a family friend who I think is descended from a Robert Jolly & Ann Logan who married in 1778 in Fordoun, Kincardineshire and had their children at Garvock. The marriage describes Robert as of the parish of Garvock.

However, I can find no Robert Jolly's baptised in Garvock around the right time. There is a Robert Jolly born to Alexander Jolly and Agnes Arbuthnot in 1754 in Montrose, which I understand is quite close.

So I downloaded the testamentary records of an Alexander Jollie, shipmaster of Montrose, dated 1779 in the hope they would refer to his children. They refer to his widow, "Jean Arbuthnot", his ship, the "Mathieson", and a "cautioner" James Jollie.

I have a few questions:

What was a "cautioner"?

Do people think it likely that the Robert Jolly who married Ann Logan was the Robert born to Alexander and Agnes in Montrose?

Do people think it likely that the will is of the Alexander father of the Robert born 1754 even though it refers to his widow as Jean rather than Agnes Arbuthnot?

If yes to the above, what sort of sources are there to research the Mathieson?

Many thanks if anyone can help.

[jennywren001]

Not saying this is the correct Robert - just highlighting yet more variations on the spelling of Jolly...
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYFP-G4W
Arbuthnott is just north of Garvock.

Robert and Ann had a least six sons - the first son I know of was a James born in 1780 the second was John born in 1781 - Alexander didn't come along until 1790 and as far as I know was the 5th son.

Jen

[breaky]

The Fordoun MI has

1836.  Robt Jollie 1806 63, w Ann Logan 1830 75, s Alex 6.8.1840 50, John 18.4.1846 66, Jas 5.3.1854 74, yt s Robert Jelly fr Sillyflatt 31.10.1861 68, by the heirs

Yt is youngest; fr is farmer

[RoserAncestors]

Thank you both - looks like I was wrong about Robert born 1754. The Robert that Jen mentioned has sibling names that match up with children of Robert & Ann, and the date is not far off the year of birth from the MI, so maybe that's the one. Speculative of course. Thanks again.

If anyone sees this and wants either the testamentary records of Alexander Jollie died 1778 or Ann Jolly nee Logan died 1830, just send me a PM with your email address.

[RoserAncestors]

Breaky, can I ask if there are any MIs for the following couples in Fordoun:

Alexander Brand and Elizabeth Loggans/Logan who married in Fordoun on 25 Dec 1774?
Arthur Law and Christian Loggans/Logan who married in Fordoun on 26 Jun 1779?
James Loggans/Logan and Helen Stephen who married in Fordoun on 16 Jun 1781?

[RoserAncestors]

Actually Breaky, it looks like Arthur Law and Christian Logan had most of their children christened in Dunnottar (although I can't be sure) so the MI for them, if there is one, may be there.

There is a testamentary record, which I haven't purchased, for an Arthur Law in Dunnottar dated 1817, farmer at Newtonleys, Dunnottar.

[breaky]

Dunnottar has (in memory of)

"imo Athur Law tent in Newtonleys d 23.6.1816 61, w Christian Logan 3.4.1843 92.  Robt Law 13.4.1810 24, also Arthur d inf, Geo 30.4.1867 77 (w Eliz McDonald 20.3.1885 85)"

The only other one at Dunnottar (may not be relevant) is

"imo David Carnegie late tent in Brakmuirhill d 11.4.1809 63, w Christian Law 10.8.1834 92. (west side) Anne Carnegie 8.11.1819 43, h Alex Anderson shoemaker Stonehaven"

Another researcher passed on (thank you!) the discovery on Familysearch of the birth of Robert Law (22 Jul 1786 at Kinneff and Catterline), the son of Arthur And Christian.  From the Kinneff section (may not be relevant)

"square, dividers, plough.  Robert Logan once tent Slains d 30.8.1803 65, w Christian Jeffrey 28.8.1803 58.  JL MY. Jas Logan formerly in Mains of Dunnottar d 12.1863 81, w Mary Young 22.6.1832 46, chn Christian 28.7.1835 22, Wm 28.3.1839 28, Anne 13.4.1840 31, Jean 15.8.1840 24, Mary d inf, Eliz 28.5.1894 71"

[Seaocean0]

CAUTIONER, Scotch law, contracts. One who becomes bound as caution or surety for another, for the performance of any obligation or contract contained in a deed

[RoserAncestors]

Thank you both, that is very helpful.