John Erskine & Margaret Maben of Kirkcudbright

[gennig]

Hi All

Hoping for some help.

John Erskine born circa 1811 Krikcudbright married Margaret Maben born Circa 1811
on 20 March 1834
I have found birth records for the following children:-
Mary born 24 April 1835 deceased ?
Mary born 1 March 1836
Jane born 10 Sep 1838 died Bendigo Victoria Australia 1924
Ellen born 24 Jul 1840
Janet born 17 Dec 1841 deceased ?
Samuel born 22 Dec 1843 deceased ?
Samuel born 26 Jan 1845
John born 4 Feb 1846 died 16th May 1915
Margaret born 23 Aug 1850

Margaret Erskine nee Maben died prior to the 1851 census
John Erskine married Catherine Sayers in 1851
He died in 17 Mar 1853.

I can't find Margaret's exact date of Death.  I'd also like to find who her parents are, I believe her father is James Maben.

Samuel & John Erskine are living with their Uncle James McCleave & Aunt Mary McCleave nee Erskine in 1861.  John continues to reside with the family, he marries Mary Ann ? 1894 and his cousin Ellen McCleave is living with the family in 1901.
Would like to know what happened to Samuel.

The youngest child Margaret is living with her Aunt Jane Maben in 1861 and with both Jane and her widowed Aunt Isabella Morton nee Maben in 1871.  In 1881 Margaret is a Dressmaker and still living in St Cuthbert St Kirkcudbright. 
Not Sure what happens to her after 1881

I have not been able to find what happened to Mary or Ellen.   If anyone could shed any light it would be much appreciated.

cheers
Genni

[rosie17]

The statutory deaths did not start till 1855 so you might find it difficult to find an exact date you might be lucky to find burial records ....As the aunt's( Maben ) were still alive in 1861.. if you get a death for them that will give you their parent's names

[matt muir]

Margaret Maben the wife of John Erskine died at Kirkcudbright on 25 August 1851.aged 39.
Her father was  James Maben,he died 21 December 1855 aged 89.

I have 2 monumental inscriptions that relate to her. Have to go vistiting at hospital now.
Will put full details up later. (Possible i may have a photograph of headstone.)

Matt

[matt muir]

Below are 2 M I's taken from Kirkcudbright Cemetery (St Cuthberts)
No 811
James Maben died Kirkcudbright 21.12 1855 89 yrs, his wife Jean McGill died Whinnieligget
1.12.1803 45, son William died 17.3.1810 aged 14. Mother Jean Sproat d 30.11.1813 aged 55.
son John died 26.4.1814 aged 18. Father William Maben died 18.5.1814 aged 60 wife Helen Milligan
died 10.10.1815 aged 26,son James died 26.5.1816 aged 16, Wife Mary Kirk died 21.4.1821 aged 32, daughter Margaret died Kirkcudbright25.8.1851 aged 39 (Husband John Erskine),
Son-in-Law William Morton died 17.5.1851 aged 50, daughter Jane 15.7.1876 aged 75, daughter Isabella died 22.12.1880 aged  88, (husband William Morton).

No 812
Erected by William Erskine In Memory of brother John Erskine painter died 17.3.1852 aged 40 (Wife Margaret Maben died 25.8.1851 aged 39) daughter Janet died 17.8.1846 age 6, son John chemist died 16.5.1915 age 67, (wife Mary Anne Maxwell died1.9.1928 age 72), three sons
John Maxwell 1st Baron Erskine of Rerrick died 14.12.1980 age 87, (wife Henrietta Erskine)
James McCleave died 20.8.1977 age 82 and Robert George Knight died 10.3.1984 age 87, having lived in Surrey their ashes are interred in Busbridge parish church yard,Goldalming



Taken from Wikipedia
John Maxwell Erskine, 1st Baron Erskine of Rerrick, GBE, KStJ, DL, JP, FRSE (14 December 1893 – 14 December 1980). He was Governor of Northern Ireland from 1964 to 1968.
Lord Erskine was born in Kirkcudbright, the son of John and Maryanne Erskine, and was educated at Kirkcudbright Academy and the University of Edinburgh.
He was General Manager of the Commercial Bank of Scotland from 1932 to 1953, and a director from 1951 to 1969.
He married Henrietta Dunnett in 1922 and they had 1 son and 1 daughter.

Matt

[gennig]

Thank you so much Matt, your help is very much appreciated.
Fills in some of the dates and a whole lot of information on the families.

Is there a possible mistake in the death of Margaret as I was certain she died 1850.  I have John's marriage to Catherine Sayers 10 June 1851, she was a servant living in his household on the 1851 census.

Which I could find what happened to Samuel, Mary & Ellen.

Cheers

Genni

[matt muir]

Hi Genni
I have checked but do not have a photograph of the two headstones mentioned. However I do
have a photo for some of the McCleave family. It states that a James McCleave died 11th Jan 1869
aged 71years & his spouse Mary Erskine died 7th Jan 1889 aged 83 years.Plus details of their
5 children. Could this be the aunt & uncle from the 1861 census?
If you would like a copy send me a PM with your email address.

It is more than possible that Margarets date has been transcribed incorrectly as 1851.
I will be up in Scotland in about 10 days and will be happy to check the stones & photograph them
for you,if you wish.
Rgds Matt

[trish1120]

You may already have some or all of this;

BAPTISMS,
Parish Church, Kirkcudbright
MARGARET Maybone, 23 April 1811*****
MARY Maebane, 5 February 1813 (also under Maybone)
Parents JAMES/HELEN nee MILLIGAN
(Source FreeREG)

BAPTISMS;
Parish Church, Kirkcudbright
JENNET, 10 Nov 1802 (Father noted as ROBERT JNR**)
SAMWELL, 1807
JOHN Erskine, 15 August 1811******
ANN MARY ?, 11 May 1814 (F/S has Ann Muir)
ROBERT, 11 Jan 1818
Parents ROBERT/MARY nee MCMICHAN
(FreeREG)
F/S has to them these Children also;
MARY, 19 Feb 1805*******
WILLIAM, 7 May 1820
DAVID MCMICHEN, 3 March 1823
JAMES MCMICHAN, 26 June 1825
HELEN, 7 Oct 1829

I presume you have this 1841 Census?;
Castle St, Kirkcudbright
Robert Enskine, 65, Painter
Janet Enskine, 35, Dressmaker
Ann Enskine, 25, Dressmaker
David Enskine, 15, Draper
James Enskine, 14
Ellen Enskine, 10
+ 2 Servants

1851 we have;
Robert Erskine    75 (1776)
Janet M Erskine    47
Annie M Erskine    35
Ellen Erskine    21


Trish

[gennig]

Thank you Trish, will add that information to my tree. 
Matt I will send a PM to you regarding the McCleave.

All the help is much appreciated.

Genni