lilley

[sparrett]

Good. Going a bit further back now

His parents' marriage


LILLEY William
Father VEAR
Mother Ann
Year 1846
Reg Number 5035
Denomination: Church of England
Parish: St James, Melbourne
Fiche: 948



  Sue

In this reply I have made an error of transcription which I will now correct

LILLEY William
To  VEAR Ann
Year 1846
Reg Number 5035
Denomination: Church of England
Parish: St James, Melbourne
Fiche: 948



Apologies 

Sue

[sparrett]

LILLEY William
Father William
Mother Ann
Birth Place MELBOURNE
Year 1851
Reg  27145
Denomination Church of England
Parish St Peters, Melbourne
Fiche 397

LILLEY William James
Father William
Mother Ann VEAR
Birth Place MELBOURNE
Year 1856
Reg  3611
 

  Sue

I think you are speaking of these two births?

I do not see on the index a death of William LILLEY, born in 1851.
Civil registration started in Vic in 1853. That is to say it became law to register birth, marriage and death events in a legal  way which was not connected to the church.

Therefore it is likely there is an unrecorded death for this child and a sibling, born afterwards, was given the same first name.

Sue

 

[offroad]

sue
that what i was think first  William has died early
Andrew(offroad)

[Aussie1947]

It was often the case after the death of a child to use the first name again.

Gerry

[Aussie1947]

From the Argus newspaper 17th November 1855 page 4.

The death notice for Phoebe Sarah Ann Lilley who died on 14th November 1855 at Little Collins St Melbourne aged 17 months.  The only daughter of William and Ann Lilley.

This places the family at Little Collins St in 1855.

Gerry

[sparrett]

Going back to the first couple as already mentioned (William and Ann VEAR married in 1846) I see a William LILLY arriving into Melbourne July 1841 as an assisted immigrant, on the ship England. 
He is aged 20, labourer, protestant, native place: Yorkshire. He is listed with other unmarried males

On the same ship is this family spelt differently but also from Yorkshire.  However the family is also listed NSW assisted immigrants but with the spelling LILLY.  (no extra information on that list, except that Sarah's occupation is listed as 'housekeeper' )
Jonathan LILLEY, 39, farmer
Sarah LILLEY, 39, dairymaid
and their children Mary Ann, 14, Zillah 11, George 9. Jamison? (hard to read) 7, Arron? 2

And this woman listed with unmarried females:
Anna LILLY, 18, housemaid, protestant, native place: Yorkshire.

both Anna LILLY and William LILLY are shown on the NSW record also.

Bit of a long shot but I wonder if the original William LILLEY had a brother or cousin in Melbourne.  The George mentioned below is supposed to be adult age so it seems unlikely that he is the child on the shipping list - but perhaps..........................

There is on-line access to a marriage on 31 December, 1851 at St Peter's church, Eastern Hill (Melbourne) of a George LILLEY and Ellen KENNEDY, both of Melbourne.  the witnesses to this marriage are William LILLEY and Ann LILLEY, both of Melbourne.  Both LILLEY men sign their names while the women each sign with a cross.  However the names William and Ann are common enough that it may not be them unless you have a document to compare signatures.

Judith

Judith,
I do think you are on the right track here.

Remembering William LILLEY's mother was nee LORIMER on his deat h registration, I have searched about the indexes for further LILEY /LORIMER connections.
I am thinking the name you have as Jamison, may well be Jonathan, as you say it is not clear.

Still sifting but it looks as if Jonathan LILLEY got married and incorporated some family names into those of his daughter.  Is this intended to be Zillah (after his sister) and Lorimer ( for his mother's maiden name)?

Birth

LILLEY Zilpah J Loriman Watson
Father Jonathan
Mother Jane MUNDY
Birth Place FSCRAY
Year 1867
Reg Number 2116


This seems to be the death of Jonathan LILLEY. Again we must make allowance for spelling and transcription mistakes on the index.

LILLEY Jonthn
Father Lilley Jonthn
Mother Sarah LOROMORE
Age 74
Death Place Fcray
Year 1907
Reg. 12218

The age at death and the age upon arrival for Jonathan tally fairly well to a birthdate of c. 1834.
Also the age at death of William LILLEY and his age of 20 upon the  arrival you have found also tally to a birthdate of c. 1820, so would seem to be the same people.

Sue



 

[sparrett]

And this woman listed with unmarried females:
Anna LILLY, 18, housemaid, protestant, native place: Yorkshire.
  JUDITH

I suspect this woman's name was Hannah, often called Anna.
I do not see a marriage for her, but she and William SLENDER had eight registered births in Vic and this is her death.-- with transcription and spelling mistakes again

SLENDER Hannah
Father TILLEY Jonathan
Mother Sarah LOUMAN
Age 58
Death Place BWORTH
Year 1885
Reg  6691

Sue

[judb]

All looking good so far.

This may be the arrival of Philadelphia Ann VERE/VEAR shown on NSW Assisted passenger lists for the ship Wallace, arr Port Phillip, 16 February, 1844

Philadephia VERE, 20, servant, native place: Oxfordshire, protestant, can read and write.

This is a possible for her in 1841 (Indexed as VORE but image shows VERE)
St George's Hospital, Westminster
Philadelphia VERE, 15, servant, not born in London.

Judith

[judb]

Here is a possible for Philadephia Ann's mother in 1841.

Sydenham, Oxfordshire
Phebe VEAR, 55, lace maker, not born in Oxfordshire
John VEAR, 25, ag lab, b Oxfordshire
Amelia VEAR, 15,  b Oxfordshire
Sophia  VEAR, 10,  b Oxfordshire

Looks as though there was quite a contingent from northwest Oxfordshire on the ship Wallace.
All of these villages/towns are at the foot of the Oxfordshire Chilterns.  These people are listed as living in Sydenham in 1841.
John DEAN(E), wife Phillis and children James, Joseph, Elizabeth, Mary Ann,
Thomas DEAN(E), wife Sophia, children: Timothy, Henry, Abraham, Sophia. In 1841 the mother and daughter Sophia are listed with forename Zilpah
James and Jane NARROWAY, children Julia, Beatrice, Emma (InAston Rowant, 3 miles from Sydenham in 1841)
Thomas and Jane SAUNDERS, children Thomas, William, Elizabeth (1841 in Stokenchurch, 5 miles from Sydenham)
Soloman, Esther and  Martha WHITE (1841 - Stokenchurch)
Timothy and Harriet SHEPPARD, with Timothy, Henry, Ann and Charlotte (1841 in Brightwell Salome)

There are probably a few more among the unmarried males and females.

Judith